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Ummmm…I’m confused….How did Emma’s family fail her??????!!!! Not to mention that Emma told them in the season premiere that they had to pay for doing what they did to her? Was there an issue in the writing room, were they undecided on what occurred in Camelot, because if you watch the earlier part of the season, you’d think the family had burned Hook at the stake how Emma was acting all “Dark One and you must suffer”.
Yeah I’m confused on this as well. I don’t get how everyone–but Henry–failed her.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think there was a case of rewriting the season midway. It would explain why the begining of the season set up something completely different:
Emma being pissed at her family.
Regina is set to be the new savior.
Hook doesn’t show any signs of being the Dark One.
Camelot characters had more attention.
Something changed at the process of writing because the latest episodes really contradict the early ones."All your questions are pointless"
Without reading the other responses:
I’d give this maybe a 6.5/10. I liked some of the dialogues, it was snappy and entertaining, and the plot moved along. I have a lot more problems with character development though (or its lack)
Liked:
Clippy! Rumple. Just fabulous.
Evil!Hook is a hoot. Seriously, what a waste of a perfectly good villain. Though, arguably, a bit too good. More of that in dislikes.
Regina/Zelena/Robin: So nice to see a glimmer of reconciliation and a genuine effort to move into a different dynamic. I’m glad that Regina’s calling out the “toxicity” of the established relationship and trying to make inroads towards some kind of arrangement. On the other hand, redemption through motherhood? *eyeroll* Yes yes.
Rumple’s fight with Hook. Actually, Rumple in general — I didn’t think I’d like the way they’d write him post-curse, but they are doing something a bit new/different with him, and it’s neat and intelligent. There’s still a bit of a dark edge/self-awareness of the darkness there, and it makes him more interesting than simply a whitewashed ‘hero’. I appreciate the re-centering of Baelfire to Rumple’s character too, however briefly mentioned.
Disliked:
So, Hook as the DO is a vicious jerk. Alright. But in order to make him that much more vicious and that much more of a jerk, the writers are also completely de-clawing Emma, making her into Hook’s emotional punching bag. And she sits there and takes it. That’s not the Emma we’ve come to know. Essentially, we are meant to believe that Emma’s character hasn’t grown at all — an has actually regressed — since Season 1. I vehemently dislike this — it’s offensively bad story telling.
The Rumbelle breakup. I don’t necessarily mind the break up itself — they do need to take some time to reflect on who they are now. And arguably Rumple needs to actually “fight” to get Belle back — so far she’s been the one doing most of the fighting for him. But the writing of it, and especially Belle’s lines, were a bit weird.
Also, the writers just love to do Woobie Rumple, don’t they? I mean S4 was Woobie Destroyer of Worlds Rumple, and now I think it’s going to be Woobie Savior of Worlds (or something) Rumple. I wish they’d ease off the Woobie pedal, there’s gotta be other ways to tell this character’s story.
How, pray tell, did Emma’s family fail her? Wut?
The Flowers of Doom. I now firmly believe that the prop department made and expensive bulk purchase of them and is now sticking them into every scene possible to get their money’s worth.
Merlin’s death. Oh, but enough already with the killing of all the POC characters! Ughh!!!! I can’t say in polite English how much this frustrates me.
On the other hand, Elliot Knight probably has better things to do than OUAT, but was it really necessary to kill his character, and especially in that sort of nonsensical way?
Liked:
DO Clippy- Big dramatic moment, big dramatic music, all cut short with “hi”. Also to note, the darkness gives its hosts a complimentary black cloak.
Rumple acknowledging his past wrongs and that he’s hurt Belle in the past- This was a big step for Rumple, it’s a shame it didn’t end well.
Zelena gets some of the best one liners- “You’re just doing your job. Poorly, but you’re doing it. Kudos to you”. The nurse did seem a bit too aggressive though, if it were a real world hospital setting, eyebrows would be raised.
The acknowledgement that Zelena did do something terrible to Robin- It was about time that characters questionable actions were raised in-story rather than just ignored. If only the same would apply to people’s actions towards Belle.
The hint of a WickedSisters reconciliation- It might be in it’s early stages, and there is a long way to go, but it’s doable.
Regina almost punching Zelena but stopping herself- Not only was it such a natural reaction after the snide comment Zelena made to Robin, but it also shows just how far Regina’s come in her redemption that, despite provocation, she can walk away from a confrontation. EQ Reina would’ve turned Zelena to ashes.
Emma and Henry working together again- After a whole season of Emma seemingly ignoring Henry in favour of Hook, it’s nice to see mother and son spending time together again. However it does raise the question on the healthiness of CS when Emma spends all her time with Hook above any other important relationships in her life and the only time her son even gets a look in is when her and Hook are on the outs.
Hook fixing Rumple’s limp so that it is more of a fair fight- At least Hook extended that courtesy towards Rumple.
Mixed:
Hook as the Dark one- Whilst Hook is more interesting as the dark one than he has been throughout the last few seasons, the nasty stuff he is doing can’t all be chalked up to the darkness. Both Emma and Rumple were dark ones and they weren’t nearly as vicious towards others as Hook is. Hook is using the darkness as an excuse for acting out his own dark nature.
Hook challenging Rumple to a duel- whilst I liked that Hook was channelling DO Rumple from The Crocodile, the whole challenging Rumple to a duel does raise some issues. 1. Hook only challenged Rumple once he was in a stronger position than Rumple was (which is very reminiscent of his season 2 self) 2. The fact that Hook was so quick to challenge Rumple suggests that Hook has always wanted to have a go at Rumple but was just waiting until Rumple was at his weakest which again is very reminiscent of his season 2 self.
Henry’s line “The mom I knew wouldn’t keep things from me”- Whilst I get that Henry feels upset and betrayed that Emma didn’t let him in to what was going on in her head, at the same time, what parent tells their teenage child absolutely everything that is going on in their life. There are some things you don’t tell your children because they don’t need to know or it would be better if they didn’t know. Henry is not entitled to know everything that is going on.
Belle and Rumple breaking up (again)- whilst I can understand Belle wanting some space after everything she’s endured, it seems a bit cruel of her to turn up to the well, giving Rumple false hope of a reconciliation, only to crush him. Season 1,2,3 Belle wouldn’t have done that. If she didn’t turn up, the Rumple would’ve accepted that she didn’t want to be with him and would’ve left her alone which would’ve given Belle time to sort out her feelings.
Dark One Hook has an emo fringe- Please writers, don’t make Hook an emo.
Disliked:
Hook giving into the darkness so easily- He didn’t even try to fight it. It looked like he might try to fight it but the moment it offered him his revenge on Rumple, he was willing to accept it without hesitation.
Lancelot appears for 10 seconds only to be sent off and gone for the rest of the episode- Was there any point of Lancelot being there at all?
Snow saying that Emma did the right thing choosing to save Hook over destroying the darkness because Emma chose “love”- This is typical Snow selfishness. Instead of thinking of the many, so long as she and her family are okay she doesn’t care about anyone else. Nevermind the chaos or harm that a second dark one could cause to her friends and subjects, so long as Emma chose “love”, everything is just fine.
Hook accusing Emma of throwing him “back into the darkness” after he spent centuries quelling it- This is wrong, it’s not Emma’s fault Hook is so weak willed. The darkness was always there in Hook, he has to learn to overcome it himself instead of relying on other people to keep him “good”. If Hook is basing his capability to be either good or evil on whether or not Emma “fails” him, then that is not a healthy relationship for either of them to be in, especially Emma who is being emotionally blackmailed into being the “perfect” girlfriend because if she fails, the consequence is that Hook goes on a rampage of evil.
Hook deliberately belittling Emma and making her cry- There was no reason for him to do that other than he just wanted to be a jerk. Both Hook and Emma as dark ones showed kindness towards the people they love. So if Hook “loves” Emma, why is he being such an arsehole towards her? If he’s just prissy because of the manner in which she saved him, then what does that say about him, the fact that he’s more than willing to turn on Emma the moment something doesn’t go his way?
The loophole for casting the dark curse- The magnitude and ramifications of the original dark curse know seem trivial.
Hook referring to Milah as “soiled”- Despite the fact that is a real derogative term to refer to any woman, the fact that Hook refers to Milah, his first “true love” like that seriously raises some questions. Hook says he would’ve “returned” Milah to Rumple if Rumple had fought. 1. This implies that Hook considered Milah to be property that could just be taken and given back at a whim. 2. Hook would’ve sent Milah back to a life she wanted to escape just because he was done with her. 3. This completely throws Hook’s motivation to avenge Milah throughout season 2 into question.
Emma taking Hook’s memories so that he would the man he was and the man that loved her- Again, this throws the healthiness of CS into question because it implies that both Hook and Emma have to be a certain way for each other in order for the relationship to work.
Belle not being in the room to get her memories back- That’s a bit unfair that everyone else gets her memories back but Belle is excluded.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWell this episode was a disappointment. I really expected Hook’s turn to the dark side to be interesting and well thought of, but of course I was wrong.
Favorites:
1) Belle’s pink princess coat
2) Henry was great. Being reasonably angry at his mom and then having faith in her and helping her save the day. I really missed him this season.
3) Rumple does not disappoint as a man who is no longer the Dark One but is still clever and powerful in his own right. This is really the only thing they got right from the whole Dark One thing.
Mixed:
1)The Rumbelle break up was weird. On one hand I understand the logic behind Belle’s decision, she rushed to his side when he was in coma and everything but she still needs to decide what she want in her life. But on the other hand why walk away now when all your problems are solved? The man you love is no longer tempted by dark magic and is completely devoted to you and to your future together. I did think when I saw it that it was Hook playing with Rumple, but now after I read the other posts I understand that it’s probably because of Emilie’s pregnancy.
Also Rumple how the hell can you just leave the most powerful sword in the universe and the only thing that can control the Dark One on the verge of the well and just walk and have a full argument with your wife?!? Wouldn’t you of all people know better??
2) The scene with Zelena was cute. I loved how things start to work out and they came to some sort of an agreement, and it seems like a very good one. Zelena with her little baby was charming and I loved that Robin got to speak and say what he wants in this situation for a change. But I don’t like how it’s kinda like “here this baby that came out of you will make you good now”. And it felt like the whole Zelena’s baby plot was pushed aside a little bit in the recent episodes. We didn’t see enough of Robin’s dilemma and Regina’s pain (and there wasn’t enough of Regina in general this season). And now they’re rushing this plot to it’s end and they’ll probably never show baby Hood again.
3) I didn’t even remember Lancelot was in this episode until I read the other comments. Oh well at least he didn’t die.
4) I always like Dark One Rumple but I hoped Hook would have Emma as the voice in his head.
Least Favorites:
1) Hook this episode was disappointing. All this time he didn’t even notice he was the Dark One (which they still didn’t explain btw) and now he’s suddenly like all “REVENGE” and OMG his hair is ruffled he’s crazy run for your lives. Very boring in my opinion.
And the Camelot flashbacks didn’t really made sense too. I know that Emma was going to crash Merida’s heart pretty quick after becoming the Dark One but it did took her two days, and she was completely alone having to listen to DarkOne!Clippy. Hook was with Emma who kept telling him how much she loves him and he trusted her so DarkOne!Clippy went away so basically she left him for like 2 seconds and when she came back he already had an elaborated plan to get his revenge and no problem to crush someone’s heart.
And I know it’s different because he was already ready to do all those thing in the past but this show was trying for 2 seasons to tell us that he’s changed and now it looks like he never changed at all. And I felt that since season 3 but I was ready to try to believe the writers and think of him as a hero but this kind of thing ruins everything that they were trying to build.
Wow ok sorry for the long rant I didn’t thought it would be this long…
2) It’s official, Dark Ones no longer have glitter. The new sign of the Dark One is… Circles under the eyes… I guess.
3) I’m sad that Merlin died. I’m even more sad that the reason Hook was able to cast the curse with Merlin’s heart was a weak excuse that doesn’t make sense and everyone in this forum already guessed. But I did love that we saw Merlin recording the voice message again, it was funny.
3) So Emma was the big bad and now hook is bad so Emma is back to being spotlessly good and working with her family like nothing happened? It didn’t even seem like she was the Dark One this episode. I expected something a little more complicated.
4) The portal to the Underworld is opened and all the previous Dark Ones come. And they’re a bunch of people with glowing eyes wearing hoodies. Apparently the show couldn’t bring actors who would play a few diverse Dark Ones for a couple of episodes. Like really? Not even Zoso or Gorgon the pig?
4) Merida… Was in the woods right? When the curse came? She didn’t know Hook was the Dark One so Emma didn’t poofed her to Granny’s and erased her memories. But when everyone got their memories back she was their and got memories too so… Like… What?!?
You know what I can't continue with the dead people brought back to life list I'm out of space in the signature and now we have an underworld arc this is to much I quit why do you bring so many people back to life OUAT WHHHYYYY
Ummmm…I’m confused….How did Emma’s family fail her??????!!!! Not to mention that Emma told them in the season premiere that they had to pay for doing what they did to her? Was there an issue in the writing room, were they undecided on what occurred in Camelot, because if you watch the earlier part of the season, you’d think the family had burned Hook at the stake how Emma was acting all “Dark One and you must suffer”.
Sadly, I’m fairly certain at this point that when they wrote the premiere they didn’t know completely how they would connect the dots. Emma waving her hand and having everyone appear all sprawled out on the floor of Granny’s screamed “we ran out of time to get them all into the positions they woke up in! Quick! Magic it!”
Ummmm…I’m confused….How did Emma’s family fail her??????!!!! Not to mention that Emma told them in the season premiere that they had to pay for doing what they did to her? Was there an issue in the writing room, were they undecided on what occurred in Camelot, because if you watch the earlier part of the season, you’d think the family had burned Hook at the stake how Emma was acting all “Dark One and you must suffer”.
Yeah I’m confused on this as well. I don’t get how everyone–but Henry–failed her.
My take on this was that it was part of the web of lies that Emma spun to keep everyone’s attention off Hook, and the real reason for casting the curse etc.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
Ok someone help me out here—what memories did Hook take in the opening scene at Casa Dark Emma?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"4) Merida… Was in the woods right? When the curse came?
I thought she was in Dun Broch? Having saved her brothers and then fought off Arthur and Zelena?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, why *exactly* did they need to reforge Excalibur in present day. Rumple’s blood has been to hell and back with or without a forged blade….? How does it help Emma end the Darkness and how does it help the DOs snuff out the light if all it was used for was to nick Rumple to get the blood to go into the magical water (ye gods).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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