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March 7, 2016 at 2:23 am #318201MatthewPaulModerator
I wonder which fairy Rumple might need to summon. The black one or the blue one? I am hoping the Black Fairy.
Rumple was referring to the ferry, the boat that they took to get to the Underworld, not a fairy. Rumple was able to summon it with his blood, because he had been there and had been resurrected.
[adrotate group="5"]March 7, 2016 at 2:30 am #318203onceaholicParticipantI wonder which fairy Rumple might need to summon. The black one or the blue one? I am hoping the Black Fairy.
Rumple was referring to the ferry, the boat that they took to get to the Underworld, not a fairy. Rumple was able to summon it with his blood, because he had been there and had been resurrected.
Ah. He is another actor who mumbles sometimes, so I didn’t quite understand much of what he said, either. Thank you for clearing that up.
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March 7, 2016 at 8:12 am #318215PheeParticipantI have to give them credit for filling in the backstory of how Henry Sr ended up in a box in WL, in a way that actually made sense, and didn’t feel like they were desperately trying to shoehorn it in retcons be damned.
Honestly, the fact that Henry Sr so easily forgave Regina for killing him caused me to throw some sideeye, because I know she’s he’s baby girl, but REALLY? But overall, he was brilliant, and his presence was the highlight of the episode. He provided a tie between past and present, and did it with an emotional element that made me feel more invested in Regina’s redemption arc than I ever have before.
Least Favorite:
–Neal not getting a chance to talk to Henry. And also insisting that his business is finished when that’s so not what was shown.I’m not sure where they get off saying in one breath how he misses Henry, and how Henry misses him, and then in the next breath saying that he’s got nothing unresolved. Don’t even get me started on how Neal’s relationship with his father is SO FAR AWAY FROM BEING RESOLVED that it’s like they’re spitting on their original story by now saying, “Meh, no biggie.”
Also, they really should have left those words about how she’d have saved him if she knew he could out of Emma’s mouth because SERIOUSLY? She had the opportunity to change history and save his life, but she INSISTED that Rumple LET NEAL REMAIN DEAD. So please, Emma, SPARE ME with the, “I’d have saved you,” stuff.
That being said, that scene was the first time in ages that I’ve sensed any convincing emotion of any kind in JMo’s performance, so while I may have many issues with what was actually said, JMo and MRJ managed to effortlessly convey the emotional connection their characters have.
March 7, 2016 at 8:21 am #318218RumplesGirlKeymasterI’m not sure where they get off saying in one breath how he misses Henry, and how Henry misses him, and then in the next breath saying that he’s got nothing unresolved.
Yes this is a huge disconnect for me as well. Especially when the episode ends with a father getting to move on after talking to his child. It’s…yeah, disconnect is the best word here
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 7, 2016 at 8:38 am #318220PheeParticipantYes this is a huge disconnect for me as well. Especially when the episode ends with a father getting to move on after talking to his child. It’s…yeah, disconnect is the best word here
I can think of a few other words that would fit, but yes, let’s just stick with disconnect because ACCURATE. Evidently they CAN actually grasp this concept of parent/child relationships being resolved, but only when it’s convenient.
What helps to infuriate me more is that they even addressed how Rumple and Pan still have issues, so they even grasp the concept when it comes to the Stiltskin family, that father/son abuse and abandonment that’s recurred over generations, which was at one time a core part of their story that gave it some emotional gravitas. Not giving Neal’s current, present day role in that family line its due, just smacks of them tossing their original story onto the trashpile and not bothering with it any more, even though it should be very relevant to the current situation and emotions they’re exploring in the show.
March 7, 2016 at 8:45 am #318222PheeParticipantI liked James, we only saw him for a minute, but that character has some spark and is entertaining.
Then 2 seconds later, David walks in and you can almost hear the “DUUUUHHHHHH” that I imagine echoes in his head almost 24/7.
I guess that means Josh should be commended for playing them so differently, even when not given much material to work with. But it’s kinda sad how dull our Prince Charming has become.
March 7, 2016 at 8:47 am #318223RainbowParticipantNot giving Neal’s current, present day role in that family line its due, just smacks of them tossing their original story onto the trashpile and not bothering with it any more, even though it should be very relevant to the current situation and emotions they’re exploring in the show.
I think that is shown in the fact that they brought Neal for a Ship scene, probably with the person he had no unfinished business, bc when he died on 315 was clear that they were probably in a good place together, unlike Rumple and Neal, or Henry and Neal, and can we talk about how Neal has no unfinished business with Milah that is on the UW, yet her unfinished business is with 2 men and not with the son she abandoned, that for me also shows the lack of family link.Although to hope Neal is with his foster parents the Darlings.
They could have also explain what means unfinished business to them, bc even tho we know Graham would not be there bc of actor availability, but for GA graham doesnt fit into no unfinshed business, the same with Snow parents and her nanny and with David mother and im sure others we could fit in there, i guess if they could explain it better what is unfinished business would set better if the Neal and Henry thing is or not unfinish business for them, clearly is not.
So after seeing the show for the 1st time after 315, have this to say:
Liked:
– Neal, was not that bad as i thought would be and was very odd to see MRJ going back to Neal, after seeing him as other characters after 315, so seing him as Neal again was strange.
– I think even tho the Sf scene had some low points, bc of some dialoge aspects, i felt that more than a Neal and Emma scene, that was a MRJ and JMo scene, meeting again probably after 2 years without seeing each other, so i guess at certain point more than SF i saw MRJ and JMO.
– The Sf scene was nearly 3 minutes i think, that somehow maybe without intention, connects to the 214 scene, where Neal gives Rumple 3 minutes i believe.
-Henry looking for his father and the continuity to Room 8, when they ussually forget little things, the fact that they remenbered the room was actually not that bad, even tho probably next episode he wont mention him again.
– Regina and her father, even tho the fact that he forgave her for killing him to fast, but the emotion was there, and they sort explain where they move on, guess we will see that scene again on hercules /Meg, Milah and Liam episodes.
In between:
– I understood, maybe i got it wrong, that they may go with Regina savior again? It looked to me that was the fact that Regina stayed at the UW that made the clock move, so paralleling S1 with Emma, so i was a bit confused with this and if they are going with this, not sure how will they make it.
Dislike:
– Rumple not even questioning if his son was there or not was very odd.
-Looked more like a filler. Thought that the episode had to much characters insert into one episode and maybe bc i was disconnected or more not so inside the show, i saw things with other eyes, in actors case mostly for 3 scenes( see the like), i felt that something was missing on the acting, there was no emotion. At certain point i was bored and questioning if this was really a 100th episode? Even thought the episode was almost over, bc looked that was on and on and on for so many time, only to find out was only airing for 15 minutes.
Well ended saying more than i thought.
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March 7, 2016 at 12:10 pm #318238thedarkonedearieParticipant8/10. Solid.
Liked:
– Regina and Henry sr. That final scene with both Henrys and Regina was some great writing and acting from everyone. eyes watered up for sure. And I thought it was kinda cool that since I suppose the fire beneath is “hell”, a bridge appears to safely take souls who have indeed gotten closure was fitting.
– Emma and Neal. That beginning scene also I think was done very well. I, along with everyone else however, am not buying that Neal has no unfinished business.
– I always loved Pan and Robbie Kay so I enjoyed seeing him again.
– I really liked that they tied up the Cora/Henry Sr. wonderland loose end. And I liked that apparently Sydney has more power than I thought when he was able to reach out and pull Cora back into Wonderland.
– Hades. Greg Germann was really great I thought. Really captured Hades well, with his snarky, charismatic arrogance, but also maintained the dangerous component. Acting was great.
– Loved the CGI of the five rivers. It made sense that Cora would have to shoot down that elevator to see Hades.
– Loved that Cora is now a peasant again. Fitting.
– Enjoyed James making out with Snow. He’s just so much more interesting than David is.
– Loved that it seems Hades created the dark curse. We got a loose end tied up with Henry sr. and Cora and now potentially a big reveal with Hades and the dark curse. It tells me they still have plans to tell us some of these answers we never thought we would get.
Mixed:
The red tint. It was slightly annoying. But it did give me a creepy feel. They needed to do something so it didn’t look just like a battered storybrooke. Just not sure the red tint was the best option.
Disliked:
– Rumple zero mentioning of Neal.
– Hades’ blue hair. It looks awful. I honestly liked it better when it was darker blue and not like white or whatever color that is now. If you’re gonna do CGI hair, do the right color.
– The first flashback scene of Regina as the EQ was not very good. It felt like we didn’t need it. And all I kept thinking was, oh great another scene where Regina terrorizes a village to try and find Snow White. It has gotten so old. But I was happy to see that the flashbacks ended up being relevant to wrapping up Henry sr’s story line and tied up a loose end.
Overall, I really liked this episode. Lots of feels, and Hades intrigues me going forward. I think it’s very interesting that Hades’ UW existed before storybrooke, and so storybrooke looks just like the UW because Hades potentially created the dark curse. It’s a nice spin that they are taking here.
8/10
March 7, 2016 at 12:13 pm #318239TheWatcherParticipantI wonder which fairy Rumple might need to summon. The black one or the blue one? I am hoping the Black Fairy.
What? Rump’s going to summon a fairy? He said that? When?
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICMarch 7, 2016 at 2:46 pm #318258RumplesGirlKeymasterI wonder which fairy Rumple might need to summon. The black one or the blue one? I am hoping the Black Fairy.
What? Rump’s going to summon a fairy? He said that? When?
Ferry not fairy.
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