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Hook and Milah didn’t know Rumple had lost Bae at the time of Milah’s death because Milah stated that she didn’t know why the dark one wanted a magic bean. However, once Bae gives his name to Hook then I’m sure Hook would start to connect the dots. Bae may even tell Hook his life story. Hook knew Bae didn’t want to be found by Rumple because he said so to Belle in The Outsider.
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Keeper of FelixWhen Rumple was getting ready to kill Milah didn’t he rant about her leaving Bae and mention something happening to him? I haven’t had time to rewatch this season even though I love that ep so haven’t seen it in awhile. I feel like he said something about Bae being gone though so Hook may have known at the time.
Also there was a press release today stating that in the finale, “Hook discovers his connection to a young Bae after he rescues him from the sea and soon realizes that the Lost Boys are in hot pursuit of the boy” so it sounds to me like the name does ring a bell.
Full press release found here: http://www.onceuponafans.com/apps/blog/show/26187587-and-straight-on-till-morning-abc-press-release
It is interesting that Bae keeps using his real name so I wonder when he changes it. I’m still on board with the: takes on the shadow, becomes the pan, frees the children, escapes to our world and needs a name that doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb if at this point he is hiding from Rumple (Baelfire is too easy to track, we don’t know for sure if he ever goes by Peter Pan yet but either wold be silly in our world hence eventually changing whatever his name is to Neal).
Young Bae I adore you but you are so trusting with the giving of names. Do you know who your father is??
Hoping based on the promos and my gut instinct from Tallahassee that Hook will take Bae under his wing for a bit, teach him the ropes (even if that means how to be a pirate for awhile) etc etc, probably because of the connection to Milah. He may hate Rumple and Bae is his son but he’s also part Milah and Hook couldn’t hurt the shawl, I don’t see him going after the boy right away unless he just flips out and blames him for Rumple going off the deep end and attacking him and Milah. Bae should be immune for a bit I would think (plus he has to learn to drive the ship, swordfight etc, so they may start out on the same side).
I second the notion that Neal conveniently was removed from the scene when Hook might start interacting with the main characters again. I want to know what their current relationship is now! We didn’t get much at all with Manhattan other than that NealFire was fine with tying Hook up but since they’re both essentially pirates that may not have any underlying theme to their relationship at all (oh silly pirates). Bae learning to be a pirate from Hook though totally explains why Neal was a thief. (Not that young Bae wasn’t to a degree but it was more food for a starving boy, not watches).
Anybody else thinking it’s the roundabout thing like in Lost with Sawyer teaching Cassidy (ooo connection!) to con, who then teaches Kate to con, who then is involved with Sawyer for a bit – and should have stayed that way grrrrr, rant for another day and another show though in this case it would be Hook teaching Bae to be a pirate, who then becomes a regular thief and helps teach Emma how to do so who may eventually be somehow involved with Hook but it will probably end up being another Lost thing where she goes back to the other guy she had major issues with before and was even engaged to for like…half an episode vs the seasons with the other guy she was better suited for ugh! (Though to be fair, I enjoy SwanFire MUCH more than I ever liked Jate so it has that going for it. I'm a Skater for life though. <3 Sawyer). I would hope that OUAT isn’t predictable in the sense that it follows Lost to a T and I don’t want to give up on my first choice of pairings anytime soon, especially based on something like that, but perhaps that link will give SwanFire people something to hold on to in their time of mixed emotions after the last ep *passes out cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I had a really great answer for everything you typed Kat and then I hit the wrong button. Bullet point:
–In 204 Rumple yells at Milah for leaving Bae, but she and Hook do not know that Bae has been lost to Rumple as well.
–I think Hook is going to end up being the Hero in the PP story line, along with Bae as a reversed “Peter” while the Pan is the creepy shadow. (still don’t know why he wants boys though)"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
I had a really great answer for everything you typed Kat and then I hit the wrong button. Bullet point:
–In 204 Rumple yells at Milah for leaving Bae, but she and Hook do not know that Bae has been lost to Rumple as well.
–I think Hook is going to end up being the Hero in the PP story line, along with Bae as a reversed “Peter” while the Pan is the creepy shadow. (still don’t know why he wants boys though)I hate when that happens! *gives cookies*
Thanks, couldn’t remember since it’s been awhile since I watched the Crocodile – I knew he yelled at her for leaving Bae though.
I agree that Hook is going to be a much better figure at least for awhile than people would naturally assume given the way he is traditionally portrayed. I look forward to it!
Still not sure why the shadow from Peter Pan is now this creepy being who steals boys. Very odd.
Usually Wendy is the desired person and her brothers are just there because the Lost Boys want a mother figure but they aren’t trapped and begging to go home to their own mothers. It seemed very odd to me and I wonder if the shadow was actually just trying to force Bae to go along with it, counting on him wanting to save Wendy’s brothers.
On the other side of things, it seems like the shadow is creating its own little family of a sort and doesn’t want anybody to leave him/it. That’s the main link I had to the idea of it being some kind of dark side of Bae in not wanting to be abandoned ever again but that still seems weird too.
Also the shadow can go back and forth but I suppose it would be quite scary to people and hard to make friends with, although Wendy didn’t seem to have a problem with it.
The story of Peter Pan has definitely been dumped on its head! I’m looking forward to exploring more of Neverland to get some answers but I’m definitely expecting a kinder Hook than many are. He may be a pirate and teach Bae to be a pirate but I’m not sure he’s the villain of the story except from Peter / Lost Boys point of view (and since they’re described as “sinister” it may well be them that cause a lot of the problems and not the other way around). They turned other stories upside down like that. After all, to paraphrase Anton since I can’t remember the quote, it’s the victors who write the books. To Peter Pan, I’m sure he is the hero, but in this case…who knows.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
“It’s a pirates life for you…”
*sings* Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate’s life for meeeeeeeeeee.
Ahem. Moving on….Interesting that Bae gave Hook is real name. I’m curious to see Hook’s reaction to that name as she should recognize it as the son of Rumple and Milah.
As soon as Bae gave Wendy his real name, I figured he’d give it to Hook too.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Hook knew Bae didn’t want to be found by Rumple because he said so to Belle in The Outsider.
Which has had me dying to see Hook and young Bae interact. I may or may not have actually applauded when that kid got hauled onto the deck of the Jolly Rodger.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I second the notion that Neal conveniently was removed from the scene when Hook might start interacting with the main characters again. I want to know what their current relationship is now! We didn’t get much at all with Manhattan other than that NealFire was fine with tying Hook up but since they’re both essentially pirates that may not have any underlying theme to their relationship at all (oh silly pirates)
I’ve got this feeling that they started out with a close friendship, father/son type thing in NL, but at some point it turned sour, and ever since, they’ve been separated in different worlds, so it will be really interesting to see what happens when they do eventually come face to face again.
I’m thinking that Hook volunteering the use of his ship may in some way be him trying to make something up to Bae if they parted on bad terms. Hook regrets hurting the kid, and wants to make amends, but Nealfire may not necessarily want to be BFFs again, if it was something really major that went down between them in NL. And if CaptainSwan is in full swing by the time Nealfire shows up, that just adds even more potential for delicious awkwardness and angst. “First you hooked up with my mother, and now you’ve hooked up with the mother of my child?!”
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I’m thinking that Hook volunteering the use of his ship may in some way be him trying to make something up to Bae if they parted on bad terms. Hook regrets hurting the kid, and wants to make amends, but Nealfire may not necessarily want to be BFFs again, if it was something really major that went down between them in NL. And if CaptainSwan is in full swing by the time Nealfire shows up, that just adds even more potential for delicious awkwardness and angst. “First you hooked up with my mother, and now you’ve hooked up with the mother of my child?!”
THIS a million times! I do think that Hook volunteering the JR might be a way to try to make things up to him and it opens the door to some comforting of Emma too as he more than anybody understands what she’s going through, just like when they were talking on the beanstalk (the only time he’s been “real” and open to anyone). They’ve already got the Milah / Graham connection and now Emma getting hit with the Neal thing again (even though he’s probably not actually dead she is probably convinced he basically is), so perhaps we’ll see a softer side of Hook and more of that commiseration rather than the overt flirtation and innuendos (not that I don’t love those, but as soon as the convo turned serious at the top of the beanstalk, a switch flipped for him – I want to see that again).
In this case, Hook actually knows the guy in question so there could definitely be some good stuff, especially good for transitions and to show us Hook & Bae’s past and how he is now. Neal didn’t have a problem having Hook tied up but we haven’t really gotten to see them interact in present day and to a pirate being tied up is nothing (for instance, Hook doesn’t mind Emma besting him as it impresses him). Being a pirate people fight, abandon each other one day and be fighting side by side against someone else the next so anything can happen.
I’m still hoping for some form of NealFire Pan and I think that would make the triangle even better, especially if the guys had a much better relationship than one would typically expect!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I agree with a lot of that MysteryKat. I’m not sure I see such a strong paralllel between Milah and Graham to Hook and Emma. Milah meant way more to Hook, devastated him, but Graham was more like a sad moment for Emma. She wasn’t in love with him, just attracted and willing to consider opening her walls a little. Neal ‘s “death” on the other hand does put her in that frame of mind–but I think her reaction to Tamara will be something that enlightens Hook. I don’t think Emma is going to want to kill Tamara (quackattack bodyslam her repeatedly, sure….but not kill). Unless it goes dark, and Emma feels the thirst for vengeance herself, and that gives her common ground with Hook. Yikes….I hope she doesn’t “mommy & me” and get on the dark heart path like Snow. I’m pretty sure Emma won’t though. She’ll feel the temptation but resist–and someone else will end up killing Tamara (maybe GOAT will kill each other !)
I am pretty sure Nealfire and Hook were friends–Hook saved his life by hauling him out of the water. It seems likely though at some point Hook resumed his quest to kill Rumpel, and Nealfire wouldn’t of course, be on board with that.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
@KFChimera wrote:
I agree with a lot of that MysteryKat. I’m not sure I see such a strong paralllel between Milah and Graham to Hook and Emma. Milah meant way more to Hook, devastated him, but Graham was more like a sad moment for Emma. She wasn’t in love with him, just attracted and willing to consider opening her walls a little. Neal ‘s “death” on the other hand does put her in that frame of mind–but I think her reaction to Tamara will be something that enlightens Hook. I don’t think Emma is going to want to kill Tamara (quackattack bodyslam her repeatedly, sure….but not kill). Unless it goes dark, and Emma feels the thirst for vengeance herself, and that gives her common ground with Hook. Yikes….I hope she doesn’t “mommy & me” and get on the dark heart path like Snow. I’m pretty sure Emma won’t though. She’ll feel the temptation but resist–and someone else will end up killing Tamara (maybe GOAT will kill each other !)
I am pretty sure Nealfire and Hook were friends–Hook saved his life by hauling him out of the water. It seems likely though at some point Hook resumed his quest to kill Rumpel, and Nealfire wouldn’t of course, be on board with that.
Agreed. Also yeah, Graham wasn’t quite the same scale as Milah but it was under similar circumstances (though she didn’t know it at the time) and she was finally open to something again and then that happened, being the first blow but she recovered. Having had something now happen to Neal she’ll be way more in that mindset and certainly out for justice if not for revenge (she knows that GOAT need to be stopped but she’s not a killer either – it’s the fine line that Snow & Charming has where he thinks certain people should die but he needs Snow to not be part of it because look how well she doesn’t handle things – Emma is a good mixture of the two so *might* do what’s necessary, especially with the right motivation, but she’s also likely to try to find another way).
Agreed on the points about Neal & Hook, can’t wait to see what their relationship to each other was really like.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Just found this on Youtube- a slightly different promo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbBTUxCKTbg
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