Finale speculation and theory

[raulybarra]

I think I’ve figured out Greg and Tamara’s “Home Office! I’ve got my full review and analysis from TheChristianGeek.net. Not as long as usual, but still longer than I’d prefer posting in the forums here. I also update my theories on the finale from the last episode (I’m in pretty good shape, I think).

My weakest theory is going to be the Wraith, but I’ll admit a bit of an obsession there… 😀

It seemed people liked this as a ramp-up for the show last week, so I’m staying in that format. However, I’m not going to wait so long to post the review of the finale.

[kfchimera]

On these forums we have kicked around the Wendy started the HO idea, as well as that being “fictional London”, plus Whale being involved somehow (or his assistant Igor)–but your idea really pulls it all together. Boom, my mind is blown if what you are suggesting is that Wendy’s London is the past of the world shown in Land Without Color. So if it is, I suppose we assume the H.O. worked hard to drive all magic out of the land, and it ended up like it is in Whale’s time with only “feeble, neglected stuff” as magic. That would be quite a twist.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[raulybarra]

Exactly! I’ve seen all the pieces mentioned in the past, but never something like this that pull those pieces together. It’d may help explain how they get answers so fast, as well.

[RumplesGirl]

That is a really interesting twist. I’m seriously going to be thinking that.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

Ok I thought about it some more. I was having issues with the timeline because strictly speaking (I’ll put this in spoilers so that people can read your theory),Frankenstein was published first in 1818 and Peter Pan was around 1900 and thus Frankenstien would have to be older than the London of Peter Pan. But then I started thinking about the Onceiverse and here’s where I landed.
Rumple uses Frankie to manipulate Regina about 10 years before the Curse. That places the events we know as the Frankenstein story also about 10 years before the Curse.
Baelfire falls through the bean hole about 250 years before the Curse and lands in what looks like 1900 London. If we say that Bae didn’t fall through time, as Rumple and so many of us think, but rather landed in the Land Without Color 250 years before the Curse that would make some issues we’ve been having with the timeline make more sense.
Many people are under the impression that as we move forward in time we become more advanced but certain sci-fi stories show that to not be true. For example, H.G. Wells’ The Time Machine is a great example of the Dying Earth and culture genre as time moves on. I’m also thinking of the The Giver though it has been many years since I read that particular tale. Maybe the Land Without Color becomes decolorized because magic is being eradicated by the Home Office which was set up by Wendy after the events of Second Star to the Right. That means that in the 250 years since Bae visited London, the H.O. has been successful enough to wipe out enough magic that the world looks the way it does in In The Name of the Brother and The Doctor. I think this is a really interesting theory.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

Blacked out so people read the theory first, again, not a spoiler–RG, I agree the timeline here might not track, but I'm so confused about the timeline issues anyway I'll just go with it.

This theory would give a good reason why Rumpel ever encountered Dr. F in the first place. It's hard to picture him having sent Jefferson to the B&W world just on the hope he'd find a guy to gaslight Regina. If he sent him there to find news of Bae, on the other hand–that would make more sense, why he deployed Jefferson there.

Back to the timeline, long as I'm confused, could it be possible that Wendy was Dr. F's mother or grandmother? It was Dr. F's mother's watch, that belonged to her father we are told in In the Name of the Brother. This in turn leads me to remember how Gerhardt dies–he gets shot just for being in a graveyard more or less. It seemed kind of drastic but the episode moved along so fast I didn't trouble me. What if that guard was sort of clamping down on necromancy type magic activities, as part of the Home Office, that's why the shooting?
Dr. F's father also says something like “Foul magician's work” about Whale's having brought Gerhardt back.
Also, why does Dr. Whale take Greg's watch? Initially we think its just a reminder of Gerhard'ts pocket watch, but there could be a secondary meaning there, like he recognized it as from his home world. I'm just reading way too much into things I know but it is fun all the same.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

I went hunting for images.

Gerhardt’s watch from In the Name of the Brother

Greg’s Watch from the Same episode

Ok, obviously not the same watch but they do look a lot alike, yes?. BUT I do think you’re on to something here. The watch could be significant, especially as the Crocodile in PP swallowed a watch and always made a tic toc sound which is Hook knew it was coming. Rumple as the Crocodile did say Tic Toc but maybe there is something else to do with a watch and NL that we haven’t seen yet.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

Thanks for the photos RG! Yes, it is interesting seeing them side by side, and I had not thought of the clock to Tick Tock connection. I can’t wait until the finale–will it punch a big hole in this theory or simply leave things open enough over the summer that we continue to wonder?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[nonnie]

Frankly spoiler bars are annoying … No one remembers to remove them after the threads are merged … they also make the thread hard to read. I honestly do not think they need to be on this discussion thread.

I do not see why you do not post your original post here other than to drive the numbers up on your own blog. I have seen way longer theory posts here then what you have posted in the past and on this thread. But that is your choice. I personally do not go to other blog unless I have lots of time to kill.

Nonnie
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[kfchimera]

It’s probably a bit much to spoiler a theory on another blog that could have been posted here, that is true, but I wanted to be polite. It only takes a click to undarken it, but for normal spoilers, it can be quite annoying if they are not covered. Even in the spoiler section, we discuss by episode, so sometimes people spoil multiple episodes and a person only wanted to see what was ahead for the next one. Sometimes people also reference other shows–and I have not yet seen Lost and people are always revealing things about it. I know it has been off the air long enough people think ok, fair game, but I do appreciate it when I have the choice not to read about some aspect that OUAT is just like because the big twist was this or that.

It would be awesome if one could automatically turn off all spoiler bars (is there a setting to do so? I don’t even know!) so people who don’t care could just see everything, but I’d rather have them available.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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