Gold’s request: what could it be?

[killianhookfan]

@hjbau wrote:

The favor is such a strange thing because i just don’t see how Gold gets her to say yes to something important. Especially in a place with no magic. There is no cost to Emma saying no to him right? And Gold didn’t ask Emma to get him out of his charges for beating up Belle’s father, he asked Regina, and i think if he had asked Emma she would have just said no.

I just wonder how that is going to play out because i think that Gold is going to have to force Emma to do that favor. Like no choice. Like he will ruin someone else if she doesn’t do what he says. There has to be some sort of threat, in my opinion.

I think Rumple knows exactly the kind of person he is dealing with in Emma and he knows exactly what he can and cannot get her to do. He never would have asked Emma to get the charges dropped for beating Moe French because she would have said no. I believe “his request” is going to be more of a symbol of her trust and belief in him. So obviously he couldn’t ask her to get the charges dropped because she saw him beating the man with his cane.

So far Emma has seen that Gold is successful in using “alternative” methods to get his desired outcome and she has agreed to allow him to use those methods to get the outcome she wanted in the MM murder trial situation. As far as we know, nothing bad really happened (we don’t know what happened to Kathryn yet). Up until recently Emma and Gold have just been dancing around each other trying to figure each other out (although I suspect he knew exactly what she was all about and was just playing the part). Then Emma went to Gold and asked him for the favor of helping MM and will learn to trust him in the process of figuring out what happened. Once that happens I think Gold will make his request and she will have no problem going along with it at all.

I think even the other “shady” dealings that Gold has been involved in in SB have all been a part of his plan, and he has in reality been the one trying to bring back the happy endings while giving Emma time to get used to everything. Think about Ashley. He made this big production about trying to take Ashley’s baby away and specifically went to Emma for help in tracking Ashley down knowing that Emma would be sympathetic to Ashley and would not want Ashley to give her baby away. He knew that Emma would do anything to let Ashley keep her baby. And all he requires in order to let Ashley keep her baby is a favor from Emma??? And, not only does Ashley get to keep her baby, but shortly thereafter Sean proposes to her. He also tells Emma who he sold the compass to in True North which results in Hansel and Gretel’s dad deciding to take them on instead of letting them be sent away to Boston. I think that just like you can argue that almost every story in FTL somehow has Rumple tied to it, in SB you can also somehow find Gold tied to the happy endings that have happened (or are in the process of happening in SB).

hjbau I know that you aren’t a big fan of the Rumple is going to be redeemed fandom so I can understand why Gold’s favor doesn’t make a lot of sense in SB if your opinion is that Rumple/Gold is going to end up being just as evil or more evil than Regina/EQ. If I look at it from that perspective it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either and I agree that the only thing I could see him doing would be to make some kind of threat to her which really isn’t a favor at all then. And if that was his plan he never would have had to make the deal with Emma about Ashley and her baby in the first place, he could have just taken the baby knowing that he could force Emma to do whatever her wanted her to do anyway. Doesn’t it seem strange that he is allowing Happy Endings to occur? Do you think he would allow Happing Endings to occur but then put Emma in a position where he would need to threaten her after he has proven himself by helping her with MM in order to get her to do his favor? Even if I try to look at it from a perspective of Rumple/Gold being evil I can’t make any sense out of what has been going on in SB. It seems like there would need to be someone in SB who had to be helping Emma along behind the scenes all this time since she was clueless even if she did have magic.

[hjbau]

And you know i sort of think that it could be Emma’s magic that may have caused Henry to be chosen as the child that Regina would adopt. I think i would like that better, That it was Emma that was the causer behind that rather then Gold.

[an empty heart]

@hjbau wrote:

And you know i sort of think that it could be Emma’s magic that may have caused Henry to be chosen as the child that Regina would adopt. I think i would like that better, That it was Emma that was the causer behind that rather then Gold.

Hmm, very interesting idea. I’m still holding onto the theory that Mr. Gold chose Henry because he knew that he was Emma’s child. But I like your theory too. 😉

As far as Mr. Gold’s favor, it will definitely have something to do with Emma’s new-found power. He wanted her to become the sheriff for a reason. So, it’s quite obvious that he wants to use Emma as his “inside woman.” However, as far as what exactly he wants from her, I have no idea. The obvious answers would be to save Belle, find Baelfire or destroy the Evil Queen. But this show has been throwing curve balls at us all season, so it could end up being something that no one saw coming.

[hjbau]

I just keep thinking that Gold didn’t know who he was until he heard Emma say her name in Granny’s Inn in Ep 1. And i was watching the Pilot and thinking about when Emma blew the candle out on her birthday cupcake and made a wish and Henry knocked right then. It just seemed so like the moments when Emma took the key from Granny, making the decision to stay in town, and the clock ticked or when Emma took the deputy badge and put it on her belt, putting down roots, and the mines fell in.

I would think that both of those things were caused by Emma and her magic or her connection to magic. And just like we think that Emma got the hat to work in Ep 17, so maybe even before Emma came to Storybrooke she still had some of the power to make things happen just like when she blew that candle. So maybe she was able to cause Henry to be sent to where he was supposed to be so that he could come to her at the right time just like she is supposed to come to Snow and Charming.

You are right though. It is probably just Gold. I just find that less interesting, but it is the obvious so it is probably right.

[mickey]

I’ve always thought that Emma is about to discover her magic ( if she is about to have any) and make use of it freely once she fully believes in the curse. As if there is a parallel between the two. She’s starting to believe, so she could make the hat work ( we still don’t know that’s the case) but she is still unable to control her magic.

The moments like the clock starting to tick or with the mines are just meant to symbolise the cracks in the curse that Emma’s arrival caused.
So I don’t think she had any magic before coming to Storybrook.

[hjbau]

I don’t think that the clock ticking and the mines are just symbolism. I think both of those moments were caused by Emma’s actions. It is a little less clear with Emma blowing out the candle, but i still think it is a possibility. I agree that i thought Emma believing seemed to be what caused the hat to work. I don’t know.

Like i said though it is most likely just Gold and that is it. I hope not though.

[mia]

@rumplegoldfan:
In my opinion it’s not that Gold is just evil. Yes, he has evil inside him, but he doesn’t do the things he does because he’s evil. He does them, because they have a bigger purpose behind them. He also isn’t good. He’s selfish. I think – like others in different posts – that he wants to rid himself of the curse without having to die or pass the Dark One’s power to anyone else. He’s been planning this for centuries (possibly the deal he makes with Bae in the next episode) and Emma is just the means to get there. She has some major role in there and all other deals he’s made are somehow linked to that.

[charming]

All of the evidence of magical events caused by Emma, I believe are correct. Somehow someway they involve her and some unexplained occurence (magic). Emma has to start believing first before she can use it. The first evidence of her believing it even if it is for a brief moment was when Jefferson told her, then when he dissappeared into the hat; only confirmed when she got a closer look at the hat. Nevertheless, I think she is still on the fence about magic but a lot closer to believing than when she first met Henry and continuing to the beginning of Hat Trick.

Magic, I haven’t thought that could be part of the request. Does anyone believe that, that was how Cora and Regina got magic. Emma, in Rumple’s case in regards to the deal if magic is it; she will be Rumple’s way of correcting or righting a past wrong and also so he can win?

[purrlisse]

@charming wrote:

I do not believe Mr. Gold takes pleasure in killing. His power comes from the deal me makes. He is a collector not a killer. He collects power. Collectors feel that killing will only diminish their power while aquiring and keeping increases their power.

This is a very good insight to gold/rumple’s character… he is in fact an opportunist, he doesn’t kill, he merely sees a need and obliges, at a price…

Though to be honest i’m a bit conflicted about this favour… because all the points are mentioned, but really they don’t sum up… let’s see:

1. he cannot ask to look for belle, because you can’t look for someone you think it’s dead
2. he did comment on putting her in a better position to do his favour – referring to being a sheriff… therefore in a way this favour is important at SB…
3. But we are saying that she is not obliged to keep the favour because he has no magic (even though beiong the heroin in the story she probably keep the promise)

but i agree with charming and slurpeez that there is magic in SB, it is just less obvious than what we expect to see in FTL.

In Fact i believe rumple’s power his power, at least in keeping deals, DOES go beyond the FTL… remember cinderella was going to loose her prince until she paid her dues? The moment emma took her dues from cinderella, the prince returned… so yeah i’m gonna go ahead and assume that gold still holds some form of magical power…

i totally agree with rumplegoldfan about rumple having a hand in happy ending at SB… but also hjbau you’re absolutely right about Emma’s magic (except that i obviously still think gold chose Henry as Regina’s son to pull Emma in)

but then i said… WHAT? what magic? just because Emma is born in FTL doesn’t mean she has magic! it doesn’t make sense… because not even her PARENTS have magic – neither Snow nor Charming have magic, so she couldn’t inherit them could she?

BUT… Regina says – in the stable boy – that love is magic, the strongest magic, and as she was born from true love, she might have magic… and we know snow and charming is true love because of the potion rumple has finally bottled… and maybe that’s the connection between the favour and emma… like when he helped snow and charming only for the hairs… he needs her to complete the potion… or she is somehow part of it… which he needs for an obviously bigger purpose… maybe to defeat the curse or regina or something… maybe to help regina out … who knows…

well these are just my thoughts 🙂

[purrlisse]

or maybe he just needs emma to find a way to get Bael back…

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