Gold’s ulterior motive

[Slurpeez]

I just don’t see Henry doing magic, except as a means to control his actions while asleep. He already refused magic when Regina offered to teach him, and I think he’s too smart to be tricked. No one hated the curse more than he did for enacting such evilness as revenge against his birth family. He knows better than anyone that magic always comes with a price.

I think Mr. Gold has good intentions when it comes to Henry. He said that Henry shouldn’t have to pay the price for Regina’s use of dark magic, which is what his own son, Baelfire, did for Mr. Gold’s decision to cling to dark magic. Gold doesn’t want what happened to Bae to happen to a good kid like Henry, especially since Henry probably reminds him a lot of Bae. I also believe that by showing Mr. Gold’s tenderness for Henry, the writers are setting the stage to reveal Henry as his grandson.

[evilqueen]

slurpeez108, I agree that Henry is smart and suffered the effects of the curse probably more than anyone else but that doesn’t mean that he believes that ALL magic is bad. What about the fairies? Fairy dust? Portals? If he really didn’t want to use any magic, he wouldn’t accept Rumple’s gift. In the end, he is just a child and even though mature for his age, he’s still young and naive in his own way. He has his dreams of happy ending for his family and desperate people take desperate measures, especially if they are smart kids… Remember, it was Regina’s choice not to use magic, not Henry’s wish (and before you say anything – yes, he didn’t want him being kept in the house by magic or having friends MADE like him because of magic. The point of the whole thing wasn’t not to use magic at all but that magic cannot control feelings and it’s the real actions that do).

As for Mr Gold – nah, no way this was because of Bae. If it was, he would’ve been kind to Henry before as well, not just in this particular moment (unless he found out about Neal??? 😈 ). If you listen to what he’s actually saying while giving the gift to Henry:

Once one can control something, one no longer need fearing

and that was while he was staring at REGINA. I believe he wanted to make a point that he knows of Regina weakness that is Henry and that he can control her because of it. He didn’t have to help the kid at all but he did because he wanted to show his superiority and power over Regina. There could’ve even been a sense of threat that if Regina was to do him wrong, he could take the necklace away/do something bad to Henry because the boy is now at his mercy.
Another part of me thinks that he also did that because he knows there is someone in FTL (Cora?) that wants to come to the real world and perhaps Gold needs that person and Henry would help him do just that. He didn’t seem surprised with the nightmares which makes me believe this is a part of his plan.

[Grimmsister]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I just don’t see Henry doing magic, except as a means to control his actions while asleep. He already refused magic when Regina offered to teach him, and I think he’s too smart to be tricked. No one hated the curse more than he did for enacting such evilness as revenge against his birth family. He knows better than anyone that magic always comes with a price.

Henry refused Reginas magic- Yes, but that was because it was Reginas- He doesn’t want to become like her, that is what he said. And that is an exact ecco of what Regina said too her mother when she was young. Regina didnt want to get involved with magic either, but look where she is now.
You say he doesn’t want to do magic, exept when…. But it is exactly when this little ‘exept when’ comes in to the picture, that the rollercoaster starts rolling and it goes faster and faster down hill.

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I think Mr. Gold has good intentions when it comes to Henry. He said that Henry shouldn’t have to pay the price for Regina’s use of dark magic, which is what his own son, Baelfire, did for Mr. Gold’s decision to cling to dark magic. Gold doesn’t want what happened to Bae to happen to a good kid like Henry, especially since Henry probably reminds him a lot of Bae. I also believe that by showing Mr. Gold’s tenderness for Henry, the writers are setting the stage to reveal Henry as his grandson.

Maybe it comes down too what you and me would like to see, because we really can’t know yet, it can go either way. So in the end we will see if the writers want too go in the same direction as you want to go, or in the direction I would like to go. I think the difference between these two theories is whether you want Gold to be good right now or if you want him too be evil or act to his own benefit right now. I definitly prefer the latter just for the time being, not saying he cant be redeemed and all that later on.

[Grimmsister]

@EvilQueen wrote:

Once one can control something, one no longer need fearing

and that was while he was staring at REGINA. I believe he wanted to make a point that he knows of Regina weakness that is Henry and that he can control her because of it.

Oh my! Your right. He did stare at Regina while saying that, good catch.
It doesn’t necesarily mean anything but….We can hope 😀

Maybe it means HE was originally afraid of what Regina would be like when she learned magic, maybe he was scared she could get more powerfull than him and thats why he needed to control her….but can’t know for sure…….It’s just me grasping at grass straws and spinning gold with them 😀

[midnight dreary]

As for Mr Gold – nah, no way this was because of Bae. If it was, he would’ve been kind to Henry before as well, not just in this particular moment (unless he found out about Neal??? ). If you listen to what he’s actually saying while giving the gift to Henry:

Actually, Mr. Gold has been polite to Henry in the past. In “The Return,” Henry wanders into Mr. Gold’s shop and Mr. Gold is quite sweet with him. So, we’ve seen Mr. Gold treat Henry with kindness before.

And like others have said, I’m almost certain that Neal will turn out to be Bae, and this particular scene was just a set up to progress a possible relationship between Gold and Henry.

[the fairest]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

As for Mr Gold – nah, no way this was because of Bae. If it was, he would’ve been kind to Henry before as well, not just in this particular moment (unless he found out about Neal??? ). If you listen to what he’s actually saying while giving the gift to Henry:

Actually, Mr. Gold has been polite to Henry in the past. In “The Return,” Henry wanders into Mr. Gold’s shop and Mr. Gold is quite sweet with him. So, we’ve seen Mr. Gold treat Henry with kindness before.

And like others have said, I’m almost certain that Neal will turn out to be Bae, and this particular scene was just a set up to progress a possible relationship between Gold and Henry.

Yes, I agree. In fact, I think we’re overthinking this. 😆 Mr. Gold has been trying to clean up his act (a little bit) for Belle. He reattached Dr. Whale’s arm for free, and he gave Henry the necklace for free. It’s the writers’ way of showing that Mr. Gold is softening up a bit. And on top of that, Henry probably reminded him of Baelfire. Smart, brave, moral, and desperate to pull their parents away from the path of evil. So, Mr. Gold probably identifies with that.

And to point out the obvious, the writers are probably trying to create a connection between Mr. Gold and Henry to set up the eventual reveal that Henry is in fact his grandson.

[an empty heart]

@The Fairest wrote:

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

As for Mr Gold – nah, no way this was because of Bae. If it was, he would’ve been kind to Henry before as well, not just in this particular moment (unless he found out about Neal??? ). If you listen to what he’s actually saying while giving the gift to Henry:

Actually, Mr. Gold has been polite to Henry in the past. In “The Return,” Henry wanders into Mr. Gold’s shop and Mr. Gold is quite sweet with him. So, we’ve seen Mr. Gold treat Henry with kindness before.

And like others have said, I’m almost certain that Neal will turn out to be Bae, and this particular scene was just a set up to progress a possible relationship between Gold and Henry.

Yes, I agree. In fact, I think we’re overthinking this. 😆 Mr. Gold has been trying to clean up his act (a little bit) for Belle. He reattached Dr. Whale’s arm for free, and he gave Henry the necklace for free. It’s the writers’ way of showing that Mr. Gold is softening up a bit. And on top of that, Henry probably reminded him of Baelfire. Smart, brave, moral, and desperate to pull their parents away from the path of evil. So, Mr. Gold probably identifies with that.

And to point out the obvious, the writers are probably trying to create a connection between Mr. Gold and Henry to set up the eventual reveal that Henry is in fact his grandson.

That’s my thinking as well. And this belief is only strengthened by that photo of Dylan Schmid hiding behind Neal during the scene in the store in “Tallahassee.” The producers literally put a picture of young Baelfire behind Neal! 😆 So, I think the scene between Mr. Gold and Henry was yet another hint at a possible conenction between them.

[Slurpeez]

@EvilQueen wrote:

slurpeez108, I agree that Henry is smart and suffered the effects of the curse probably more than anyone else but that doesn’t mean that he believes that ALL magic is bad. What about the fairies? Fairy dust? Portals? If he really didn’t want to use any magic, he wouldn’t accept Rumple’s gift. In the end, he is just a child and even though mature for his age, he’s still young and naive in his own way. He has his dreams of happy ending for his family and desperate people take desperate measures, especially if they are smart kids… Remember, it was Regina’s choice not to use magic, not Henry’s wish (and before you say anything – yes, he didn’t want him being kept in the house by magic or having friends MADE like him because of magic. The point of the whole thing wasn’t not to use magic at all but that magic cannot control feelings and it’s the real actions that do).

I never claimed that Henry believes all magic is bad. He has shown great enthusiasm whenever the Blue Fairy has talked about magic being in SB and the discovery of magical diamonds in the mines. I think he’s very curious about it. However, Henry knows the damaging effects of dark magic, so I believe he’d be against using dark magic, like the kind his mother and Mr. Gold use. He knows better than to make deals with Mr. Gold, as he said in season one to Emma not to trust Gold. The only reason he took the vial from Gold is because he has no better option at this point: his life is at risk every time he goes to sleep. Henry doesn’t want to use magic, and I think he firmly doesn’t want to turn bad like Regina. He’s read her backstory in his book. He knows where using dark magic can lead. He’s already been the victim of the sleeping curse and seen what the dark curse did to the people of SB.

As for Mr Gold – nah, no way this was because of Bae. If it was, he would’ve been kind to Henry before as well, not just in this particular moment (unless he found out about Neal??? 😈 ).

Again, I never claimed that Mr. Gold wants to help Henry because he thinks Neal is Baelfire. Mr. Gold has no real clue what happened to Bae except that he came to a land without magic. All I said is that Henry reminds Mr. Gold of his lost son, Baelfire, who was around Henry’s age when he went through the portal. Mr. Gold’s son paid the price for Rumpel’s use of dark magic, and Mr. Gold said in the season 1 finale that Henry shouldn’t have the pay the price for Regina’s use of dark magic. He actually cares about Henry.

If you listen to what he’s actually saying while giving the gift to Henry:

Once one can control something, one no longer need fearing

and that was while he was staring at REGINA. I believe he wanted to make a point that he knows of Regina weakness that is Henry and that he can control her because of it. He didn’t have to help the kid at all but he did because he wanted to show his superiority and power over Regina. There could’ve even been a sense of threat that if Regina was to do him wrong, he could take the necklace away/do something bad to Henry because the boy is now at his mercy.

I agree that Mr. Gold didn’t have to help Henry at all. However, he did. I don’t think this is just another power play with Regina. It’s clear that she’s irresponsible when it comes to using magic; she already caused Henry a lifetime of pain. Gold did direct the point about control to Regina. Yet, if his intention was just to get one up on Regina, he’d have made some high-stake deal with her in exchange for the locket (like another “please clause”). Regina already knows Rumpel conned her into enacting the dark curse for his own benefit. He doesn’t need to make the same point over again.

Another part of me thinks that he also did that because he knows there is someone in FTL (Cora?) that wants to come to the real world and perhaps Gold needs that person and Henry would help him do just that. He didn’t seem surprised with the nightmares which makes me believe this is a part of his plan.

Mr. Gold doesn’t yet know Cora is trying to get the SB. When he does find out, he’s going to try everything he can to keep her out. He’s the one who tricked Regina into getting rid of Cora through the looking glass in the first place. Mr. Gold hates Cora for keeping Regina (Cora is the miller’s daughter from the original Rumpel fairytale) No way would Rumpel want Cora in SB! The episode description for 2×8 reveals he teams up with Regina to thwart Cora's arrival in town.

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[Grimmsister]

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[an empty heart]

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