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April 25, 2013 at 4:24 pm #188674vilyaParticipant
They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things.
That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.
[adrotate group="5"]April 25, 2013 at 4:29 pm #188676HappyEndingsSpectator@Vilya wrote:
They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things.
That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.
See that really doesn’t make sense they seem to make up stuff as they go, I was the impress or I thought I read before this that Henry wasn’t effected.
April 25, 2013 at 4:29 pm #188677SlurpeezParticipant@Vilya wrote:
They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things.
That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.
Which is why I think it’s a weak explanation on their part. It just doesn’t add up. Kurt and Owen Flynn clearly weren’t affected by the curse. So why would Henry be? Maybe it’s because he came to SB as a baby and was raised with false beliefs, so he never questioned them until he got to an age (9 or 10), when Regina could no longer pull the wool over his eyes. By that age, kids start to question their parental authority. Also, if he felt like Regina didn’t really love him, then he’d be prone to disbelieve her even more. Then, when Henry got the book from MM, he stated to read about a town where time stood still, and he pieced it together with his own town clock standing still at 8:15. Form there, he started to realize none of his classmates ever aged, only he did. Then, he tested his theory by asking MM and other town citizens how long they had been working and their answer was always the same, “for as long a I can remember.” That’s when he decided to believe his adoptive mother was also the evil queen. Also, as a general rule, kids would be way more prone to believe a fairytale is true than a cynical, rational adult like Emma.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 25, 2013 at 4:31 pm #188678RumplesGirlKeymaster@HappyEndings wrote:
@Vilya wrote:
They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things.
That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.
See that really doesn’t make sense they seem to make up stuff as they go, I was the impress or I thought I read before this that Henry wasn’t effected.
They’ve said it several times and apparently there was a scene that got cut for time from one of the first episodes where Henry explains that. They aren’t making stuff up I think, but it’s something they’ve explained in other places because people wondered.
I think it makes sense. The curse was like a fog that hung over the entire town. It didn’t stop Henry from growing up because he isn’t from the Enchanted Forrest but it didn’t affect how he saw the world. The book was like a wake up call. Which is why it’s still so important."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 25, 2013 at 4:33 pm #188680RumplesGirlKeymasterKurt and Owen Flynn clearly weren’t affected by the curse. So why would Henry be? Maybe it’s because he came to SB as a baby and was raised with false beliefs, so he never questioned them until he got to an age (9 or 10), when Regina could no longer pull the wool over his eyes.
They were also in town only for a few days. Henry was brought in, we think, very soon after his birth. Had Kurt and Owen stayed in SB longer, maybe it would have started to affect them.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 25, 2013 at 4:34 pm #188681HappyEndingsSpectatorSee that is the problem they cut out the stuff that we need to see like Emma throwing Regina around in the hospital closet saying that she knows Regina killed Graham, and Rumble’s story about how he father was killed and know this how much more did we not get to see.
April 25, 2013 at 4:39 pm #188683SlurpeezParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Vilya wrote:
They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things. That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.
I think it makes sense. The curse was like a fog that hung over the entire town. It didn’t stop Henry from growing up because he isn’t from the Enchanted Forrest but it didn’t affect how he saw the world. The book was like a wake up call. Which is why it’s still so important.
I agree. I think I’m starting to understand what E & A meant by “affected by the curse.” It’s not that Henry was directly cursed, like say Mary Margaret or David Nolan, because Henry did indeed age. Yet, since he was raised by Regina to have false beliefs, he also lived in a haze and daily routine. I just found a quote which helps to support this theory that while Henry wasn’t cursed per se, he was still under the haze of the curse.
Will it ever be explained how Henry didn’t realize no one was aging in Storybrooke?
Kitsis: We actually explained that in Episode 2 of the very first season, which is that he was under the haze of the curse and it wasn’t until he got the book and he grew up that he did notice. I would say that my 5-year-old has no idea what anyone’s ages are, so Henry really didn’t start to recognize it until he got much older and he was proven right. So a-ha, answered!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round7-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1064265.aspx@RumplesGirl wrote:
Kurt and Owen Flynn clearly weren’t affected by the curse. So why would Henry be? Maybe it’s because he came to SB as a baby and was raised with false beliefs, so he never questioned them until he got to an age (9 or 10), when Regina could no longer pull the wool over his eyes.
They were also in town only for a few days. Henry was brought in, we think, very soon after his birth. Had Kurt and Owen stayed in SB longer, maybe it would have started to affect them.
Hmmm, maybe, and perhaps Kurt was affected by the curse after he was captured. For all we know, maybe he lost his mind sitting in a basement cell for nearly 30 years. That’d be so sad.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 26, 2013 at 3:14 am #188830PheeParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
See that really doesn’t make sense they seem to make up stuff as they go, I was the impress or I thought I read before this that Henry wasn’t effected.
They’ve said it several times and apparently there was a scene that got cut for time from one of the first episodes where Henry explains that. They aren’t making stuff up I think, but it’s something they’ve explained in other places because people wondered.
If there is one thing I’m absolutely sure of, it’s that K&H had fundamental parts of the story like this firmly planned from before they started making the show. They started putting the concept of this show together years ago, before they even started working on Lost. They had a lot of time to research and create this story. They have a clear vision of the rules of the universe they have created. They wouldn’t just retcon a vital point like how Henry was affected by growing up in SB.
They may have given slightly different wording to explain it at various times, but ultimately, I think it all comes down to the same idea, that of course the curse had to have had some affect on Henry, because it was the only world he ever knew. And once he reached a certain age, he became more aware, and realised he was different to everyone else and started to question things and snapped out of the haze he’d been living in all his life. The book was like his talisman. David had the windmill, Lacey had the matchbook, those items snapped something in their brain. The book snapped something in Henry’s brain, but in the opposite direction, because it made him start to question, instead of just blindly accept. He’s a unique case, no one else had the same relationship to the curse that he did, and he did have an unavoidable relationship with the curse.
April 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm #188870RumplesGirlKeymasterIf there is one thing I’m absolutely sure of, it’s that K&H had fundamental parts of the story like this firmly planned from before they started making the show
Agree. I saw a tweet from Adam a few days ago. Someone asked if he and Eddy knew how the show would end many years from now and Adam said yes. They’ve already planned out the bones of the show.
The book was like his talisman. David had the windmill, Lacey had the matchbook, those items snapped something in their brain.
That is a really good way to think about it. Which makes me want to know who gave the Book to Snow, who wrote the book, and how it ended up in SB even more!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 26, 2013 at 1:45 pm #188874SlurpeezParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
The book was like his talisman. David had the windmill, Lacey had the matchbook, those items snapped something in their brain.
That is a really good way to think about it. Which makes me want to know who gave the Book to Snow, who wrote the book, and how it ended up in SB even more!
Just to be clear, the windmill and the match book are what made David and Belle have false memories, so those aren’t a good basis of comparison. David’s real talisman is the unicorn mobile and Belle’s true talisman is the chipped cup, which if presented to them, would help them recover their true memories, and those items provide a better parallel to what Henry’s storybook did for him. Yet, whereas David and Belle were actually cursed, Henry was not truly cursed in the same way because he was born in our world, not the EF. Though he was under the haze of a curse, having been raised with false beliefs, and he did age. So, his storybook is not a talisman in the purest sense like Belle’s cup, because in Henry’s case, he didn’t need to be “magically” awakened. Rather, the storybook presented him the information he need to start piecing clues together that his mother was indeed the evil queen and this town he was living in was cursed.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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