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In all seriousness though, when Regina put Zelena’s locket in her vault, the Evil Queen theme played. Could it possibly be hinting at something?
It could be, though at the time I just took it as a victory of Evil over Wicked (that whole contest thing they’d been hyping up all season). Regina won, so they play her “victory theme”. It’s just that her theme happens to sound very threatening, so as a viewer you immediately suspect something is up.
I don’t have much to add. I agree with 99.9% of what priceofmagic and schaendlich have been saying. But I do want to mention how much I enjoy having a place to go this deep into the character’s motivations.
Love you, forum! 🙂[adrotate group="5"]Yeah, I don’t really understand why she never overtly tried to kill anyone except Hook and Henry (and she tried to kill them for bait, not to get them out of the way, make people’s lives a misery, etc.). She’s had so many chances to kill people she didn’t need for the curse, but never did it, or even tried to.
Well, there was that one instance where she ordered Rumple to kill Belle which really seems like an act of gratuitous murder since Belle is hardly a threat to her. The only reason I can think of is payback for Rumple abandoning her and maybe a bit of jealousy that yet again someone else is placed before her in Rumple’s heart.
I agree that Zelena hasn’t really done a lot of on-screen damage compared with other villains we have seen. However, one thing to consider is that if her plan succeeds, she may cause a lot of people to no longer exist in the altered timeline (whole generations may be wiped out) even if that wasn’t her intent. That makes her as much of a mass murderer as Regina or Rumple though in a different way.
I think in many ways, Zelena acts like an overgrown child who needs to be pampered and soothed (she is oddly suited for the seat of innocence). I don’t think she really cares for wealth or power, she just wants someone to put her first; whether that be Cora, or Rumple or Glinda.
I’m convinced that after killing Zelena, Rumple went back home to Belle and swapped the daggers back so Belle had the real one again.
Why would he need to give Belle a fake in the first place then? As long as Belle doesn’t specifically order him not to kill Zelena (which she did not and is unlikely ever to), he is free to kill Zelena even if the the dagger is not in his hands. The dagger doesn’t work on the holder’s thoughts or feelings, else Rumple could never have attempted to attack Zelena or try to steal the dagger from her.
It was clear that Zelena wasn’t going to take the second chance, she showed no remorse or guilt whatsoever for what she put Rumple through. The only time she even tried to act repentant was when she realised Rumple was actually going to kill her
As I have argued above, Zelena simply wants to be deemed irreplaceable in someone’s heart. She was willing to put aside her jealousy of Regina when the other witches accepted her into their circle because she thought that was a unique position left solely for her (until Dorothy came along). If Regina is willing to let bygones be bygones and accept her as her sister and into her family, I actually think it is quite likely Zelena would have taken the second chance. After all, Zelena is Regina’s only living blood relative, no one else can take her place.
I don’t know exactly how Zelena wa skilled or if she was even killed, I keep reading conflicting views, BUT if killing her started the vortex for the time travel, than it makes perfect sense to kill her.
plus, many people compare it to taking “revenge” on Regina with the wraith. I once had a long post about how I think the wraith was never meant to kill Regina. He planned it all along that Emma should go to the EF and find the scroll in his jail cell.
so in my opinion, it’s the same here with Zelena.
Rumple wanted Regina redeemed. he had a hand is redeeming her.
why did he take her with him to collect the fairy dust from the mines and block the wishing well? (when Cora was about to come to storybrooke) he didn’t need her there… what he wanted was that she would suck up all that fairy dust FROM the well she had to be convinced by Henry… this is why he never touched Henry, he let Henry talk Regina into sucking up the fairy dust… he did flip Red away from there…
fairy dust is supposedly GOOD, no?
he made sure he’d be able to get her a child to adopt when he loses his memories, he knew that a love for a child is very powerful, and it can bring her back.
when he found out Monster/Cora was on her way to SB he knew she will make it there, and he also knew how Regina will fold to her and probably slip… so he got her to go on an adventure with him, “block the well” yeah, right, until Henry succeeds in convincing her that GOOD ALWAYS WNSmaybe that fairy dust was supposed to protect Regina from the evil that Cora was going to make her?
well, anyway, Rumpel was not afraid of Cora at all, and the writers made it very clear… 1) Cora said: “I only know what you taught me, master” and 2) how relieved Gold was when he saw that it was only Cora in his shop.
I don’t know exactly how Zelena wa skilled or if she was even killed, I keep reading conflicting views, BUT if killing her started the vortex for the time travel, than it makes perfect sense to kill her.
But Rumple didn’t know the vortex would start by killing her. He just says, “I promised my son and Rumplestiltskin never breaks a promise.” And then stabs her. It was nothing to do with starting her spell over again. It was about revenge.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"OMG RG, I love you now! he said that? he SAID THAT??????? I promised my son??? OMG!!!!
this is it!!! HE HAS A PLAN
what was the last thing he promised his son? “It’s going to be alright Bae” remember? and also, before he died he promised his son a chance at happiness and that happiness IS POSSIBLE
I bet at the end of the season we will see Rumple go back into the goo and Bae come back 🙂
OMG RG, I love you now! he said that? he SAID THAT??????? I promised my son??? OMG!!!!
this is it!!! HE HAS A PLAN
Full quote: “Because I promised my son that his death would be avenged and Rumplestiltskin never breaks a deal”
His plan was to kill Zelena to exact revenge. Beyond that, there is no plan.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Toma wrote
Why would he need to give Belle a fake in the first place then? As long as Belle doesn’t specifically order him not to kill Zelena (which she did not and is unlikely ever to), he is free to kill Zelena even if the the dagger is not in his hands. The dagger doesn’t work on the holder’s thoughts or feelings, else Rumple could never have attempted to attack Zelena or try to steal the dagger from her.
It seems Rumple needed to use the real dagger to kill Zelena rather than any old sharp pointy object. He could hardly ask Belle if he could borrow it to kill Zelena with. Also it seems like the dark one can’t steal his own dagger hence why Rumple couldn’t get it from Zelena though that could be because Zelena was actively wielding its power.
The sentiments that Rumple said to Belle were genuine, he just needed the dagger for that “one last job” (killing Zelena) then he’d replace the fake dagger with the real dagger.
As I have argued above, Zelena simply wants to be deemed irreplaceable in someone’s heart. She was willing to put aside her jealousy of Regina when the other witches accepted her into their circle because she thought that was a unique position left solely for her (until Dorothy came along). If Regina is willing to let bygones be bygones and accept her as her sister and into her family, I actually think it is quite likely Zelena would have taken the second chance. After all, Zelena is Regina’s only living blood relative, no one else can take her place.
I disagree. There is still the chance that Zelena’s envy would rear its ugly head again but this time the target would be a lot closer to home.
Zelena wants to be the centre of attention. She wants the praise and for everybody to adore her. Either she’d be jealous that Regina gets the man and adoring family and would want to usurp Regina’s place, or she’d be jealous of the love and affection Regina shows to Henry, Robin and Roland, and would want to be the only one Regina loves and would therefore target Henry, Robin and Roland to get them out of Regina’s life.
Henry would’ve been the main issue since Robin and Regina could be broken up taking Robin and Roland out of Regina’s life. Zelena may have set Regina up for a fall, like Cora did in season 2, to ensure Henry turned on Regina. Then Zelena would be the only one Regina could count on.
When you have so much envy and jealousy inside of you that it literally turns you green as a result, you have a problem, particularly when it comes to sharing.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixLightning Round Answer:
Is there a chance of seeing more of Rebecca Mader after this season?
Horowitz and Kitsis: Yes.http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round-13-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1081425.aspx
Ding dong…the Witch maybe on her way back after all! 😛
Please Emma and Hook…stop Rumple from killing Zelena, it’s the only way to undo the Time Curse
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
It seems Rumple needed to use the real dagger to kill Zelena rather than any old sharp pointy object.
Why would Rumple need the dagger to kill a powerless Zelena? He has demonstrated before he has plenty of other options: ripping out and crushing her heart, turning her into a snail or a rose etc.
Even supposing Rumple needed the dagger to kill Zelena for some reason, if he had intended all along for Belle to keep the real dagger, why didn’t he kill Zelena first and then propose to Belle? At the very least, this would be one less thing he had to lie to Belle about as well as to seek forgiveness for when she found out the truth.
I disagree. There is still the chance that Zelena’s envy would rear its ugly head again but this time the target would be a lot closer to home.
Zelena wants to be the centre of attention. She wants the praise and for everybody to adore her. Either she’d be jealous that Regina gets the man and adoring family and would want to usurp Regina’s place, or she’d be jealous of the love and affection Regina shows to Henry, Robin and Roland, and would want to be the only one Regina loves and would therefore target Henry, Robin and Roland to get them out of Regina’s life.
There is always a chance that a villain would regress even if he/she had started on the path of redemption. Rumple and Regina have both been given multiple chances (and they have both slipped more than once) so it’s only fitting that they give others a chance as well. The first step for Zelena to become good again is to have someone to give her that second chance and try to love her despite what she has done. From there, she can work to live up to the expectations of that person, including fighting her jealous nature. This is, after all, exactly what motivated Regina and Rumple to try to be better people. To say that Zelena would definitely be evil no matter the circumstances, would be validating what Zelena thought – that it was her destiny to be wicked and nothing can change that, so why should she even try to be good? And I think the whole point of the episode was to show that people can create their own destinies if they are willing to.
Another thing to point out is that even though Zelena has done the most harm to Rumple and he deserves to have his vengeance the most out of everyone, he is also the person who is most obligated to give Zelena that second chance. Just look at the wrongs he did to Zelena in the past:
First of all, he lead Zelena down the same dark path as Regina (as a backup plan perhaps) with the eventual goal of getting her to cast the curse for him. Let’s not forget how desperate and dark a person has to be before he/she would be willing to cast the dark curse yet Rumple knowingly pushed Zelena to become that kind of person.
And then, he dumped her like so much garbage when he found out that she wasn’t suited to cast the curse for him even though she was so desperate to please him. Last but not least, he attempted to murder Zelena for her silver slippers when she wouldn’t give them to him.
Lightning Round Answer:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round-13-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1081425.aspx
I really do want to see Zelena again but the way the question was phrased doesn’t really inspire confidence to the answer. Might as well ask, “is there a chance I will strike a million dollar jackpot next month?”
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