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Okaaaaay.
Man, where were episodes like this one a year ago when I was ready to write this entire show off as one of the worst comic book adaptations ever?
So, Jerome is obviously the big star of this season and he deserves it. If he’s not the Joker, then I’ll eat my hat. They even did the whole “pretending to be a cop” thing from The Dark Knight. He’s very Heath-inspired.
Barbara is nuts. Just nuts. But did anyone else notice her gloves in the alley scene with Jim? Red. Harley Quinn always wears one red glove. I think they are setting Barbara up to look and sound a lot like Harley without being Harley (and she’ll appear later if the show keeps going).
Could have done without the Bruce stuff but that’s because I think the show is so much better when it leaves the Baby Batman alone. I don’t need his origin story. We…uh..have it. In spades. Gimme more of the Maniax and that story.
Didn’t miss Penguin much, and he and Jerome are going to have to box for breakout character because right now I enjoy Jerome more than Oswald.
Love Nygma. Love how he’s going insane.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Barbara is nuts. Just nuts. But did anyone else notice her gloves in the alley scene with Jim? Red. Harley Quinn always wears one red glove. I think they are setting Barbara up to look and sound a lot like Harley without being Harley (and she’ll appear later if the show keeps going).
I go back and forth on the Barbara/Harley similarities. I think there are a few similarities but not enough to say Barbara is definitely a stand in for Harley.
Gotham has officially become my new favourite show.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOh My Gotham! Or should I say Gotham Goes Grimm.
This episode was dark and chilling and Jerome sends shivers down my spine. I am seriously impress with his adaption of the Joker. If he is the Joker. He is the Joker right. He got to be the Joker. Either way he scares me!!!
There were moments where I actual cringed on the inside, 3 to be exact: Whip, Toss, Bus
Contray to you @RumplesGirl I actually enjoy Bruce and Alfred interlude. It was poignant to see the struggle between Bruce and Alfred!
I agree I didn’t missed Penguin. I find myself leading more to what is going on with the Edward this is really intriguing. Because we are actually watching his decent into madness. I guess the same with Barbara we see her go from blah to bam.
Jerome always been crazy, Penguin a sneaky little runt.
Overall I never expected Gotham in episode 2 to go where they went so quick. This was something I expected in mid season finale like thing. Which if this was episode 2 what do they have in store of the mid season finale and the finale. LE GASP!
I think there is something off about Ms. Kringle. She just doesn’t seem as innocent as she appears. I believe she is doing some behind the scene stuff. A part me wonders if she show Edward her bruises to see what he does. A part me wonders if when Edwards was about to be fire if she didn’t manipulate things so that he can gain his job back in season 1.
Anyway when Gotham said rise of the villains they meant business.
And this is how you write a dark season. Gotham is not playing with dramatic flared costume changes and menacing glares. In fact I would go out and say their bite was far bigger then their bark during promotion!
Good Gravy I love Good TV!!!!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Contray to you @RumplesGirl I actually enjoy Bruce and Alfred interlude. It was poignant to see the struggle between Bruce and Alfred!
Ah, we were bound to disagree at some point m’dear!
This is the way I would have set up the narrative, had this been my show. Bruce Wayne should be on the periphery, not at the center. He should be “heard” and never seen. So, for example, we should Jim reading a newspaper with the headline “Wayne Family Killed; Boy Left Orphan” or “Explosion at Wayne Manor; Bruce Lives” or “Wayne Enterprises In Trouble?” Bruce Wayne should be mentioned in passing.
We should know that Bruce is out there in the world but not interact with him. Gotham isn’t supposed to be about Bruce and the rise of Batman. It’s supposed to be about *why* Gotham and Jim will eventually come to rely on Batman to the extent that it does. We’re supposed to be mired down in the muck watching Jim try to hold a city together with no help with the idea that someday little Bruce Wayne is going to grow up and become the hero the city needs, but he can’t yet and the city only has Jim.
So every time they spend an inordinate amount of time building their Batman mythology I keep thinking “you don’t need to do this. The Batman mythology is secondary to the mythology of the city.”
Just my two cents. At least the two actors do good work.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"seeing batman is passing would have drove me bonkers! LOL
And I enjoy bruce relationship with gordon, alfred, and cat!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
This is the way I would have set up the narrative, had this been my show. Bruce Wayne should be on the periphery, not at the center. He should be “heard” and never seen. So, for example, we should Jim reading a newspaper with the headline “Wayne Family Killed; Boy Left Orphan” or “Explosion at Wayne Manor; Bruce Lives” or “Wayne Enterprises In Trouble?” Bruce Wayne should be mentioned in passing.
We should know that Bruce is out there in the world but not interact with him. Gotham isn’t supposed to be about Bruce and the rise of Batman. It’s supposed to be about *why* Gotham and Jim will eventually come to rely on Batman to the extent that it does. We’re supposed to be mired down in the muck watching Jim try to hold a city together with no help with the idea that someday little Bruce Wayne is going to grow up and become the hero the city needs, but he can’t yet and the city only has Jim.
So every time they spend an inordinate amount of time building their Batman mythology I keep thinking “you don’t need to do this. The Batman mythology is secondary to the mythology of the city.”
I agree. I think that in season 1, they shouldn’t have killed Thomas and Martha Wayne off so quick. Let the audience get to know them a little so that their death holds a bit more weight to it. Kill them off in the season 1 finale which is when Jim first meets Bruce. We didn’t need to meet Bruce until that point.
As I wrote above, I found the scene between Bruce and Jim in the last episode unnatural and forced. Seriously, why would Alfred, who broke the computer to protect Bruce from its contents, then take Bruce to the scene of a massacre just so he could give Jim, who was covered in blood, a hug?
Jim only knows Bruce professionally, as in he promised Bruce that he would find his parents’ killer, there’s no reason for Jim to consider Bruce a friend. To Jim’s credit, he did look uncomfortable when Bruce hugged him. IMO extend the Bruce/Jim relationship beyond a professional boundary is crossing a line. Jim is not Bruce’s friend, he’s the guy investigating the murder of Bruce’s parents.
I hope they don’t kill off Jerome in the next episode (especially with it called “The last laugh”, though I think it is widely accepted by fans that he is the Joker so they can’t kill him off really or they would rile up the fans). I can see why they wouldn’t want to use Jerome every episode for the whole season, because having him run round Gotham causing havoc and not being stopped would make Jim and the GCPD look incompetent. Having Jerome arrested and sent back to Arkham would leave the door open for future appearances whilst at the same time enabling the writers to use different characters.
The thing with Bruce at the minute is we know he’s going to become Batman but he can’t become Batman yet because he’s still a kid. How old is Bruce supposed to be anyway? We know that at the time of Thomas writing the letter Bruce was 12. Is he still 12? 13? 14?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMy take on the show’s take on Baby!Bat is that I like having him around. For me it doesn’t detract from the focus of the show being about Jim, and about the city, I just feel like Bruce Wayne needs to be present or it’d probably feel like a gaping hole, considering how entrenched Bruce/Batman is in the mythos of Gotham City.
I admit that I had a moment of, “Why is Bruce at the police station?” But the more personal moment between him and Jim worked for me, because it came hard on the heels of Lucius’ confession that he regretted not having told Thomas Wayne what he’d meant to him, so the scene with Jim was Bruce learning that lesson.
Obviously, I don’t have a problem with Bruce and Jim being buddies, in fact I think that them having a connection is an important thing for the future Batman. Bruce lost both his parents, and now he’s gaining some new adult role models to teach him stuff he needs to know.
In Jim, Bruce is seeing one man who wants to take on saving a whole city. He’s seeing someone who struggles, both professionally and as an individual dealing with his failures and successes on a personal level, and the type of person it makes you into. Jim’s making compromises, making mistakes, getting in bed with shady types like Penguin, killing people he shouldn’t. Having Bruce present to observe all these things about Jim, I feel like he’s gonna learn a LOT that will inform the type of man he ends up being when he’s running around in a cape trying to save the city himself in the future. Jim’s sorta like a prototype hero, and Batman’s gonna be the improved second gen version. Bruce is also getting an insight into how the organisation that’s supposed to protect the city, is actually rife with corruption, which will no doubt be part of what inspires him to try and help in the future.
Bruce’s relationship with Alfred is of course very important in another way. Alfred has been his only friend, and his guardian. (SIDENOTE: OMG my heart broke when Alfred was standing there with one small bag and an umbrella and saying it was all he had. Bruce is the most valuable thing in his life, and the punk kid was telling him to leave. OMG MY HEART.) His relationship with Alfred is teaching him about tough love, and Bruce is learning to give as much as he gets. It’s a relationship that will be a rock for Bruce, no matter what other crap he goes through in life and how many people come and go, he knows he’ll always have Alfred, and he knows that even moreso after what happened in this ep where they came so very close to parting ways, but Bruce just couldn’t do it. I love that even though they can be hard with each other, there’s always a moment of softness, because that relationship is still keeping a little bit of lightheartedness in Bruce’s otherwise dreary existence. I loved how the train station scene, which had been a serious scene where they kept it real, ended on the, “WTH how am I supposed to fix the bloody computer?” note, which had a lighthearted tone. It was like them discussing putting the kettle on in the middle of arguing about making a bomb in the previous ep. I hope they keep that up, with having a lighter moment in the moments where Alfred and Bruce are bumping heads. Their reltionship is so important to me, and important for Bruce. Apart from the personal level, obviously we’re gonna get Alfred training him too, which is gonna be an important thing he needs to learn for his future career.
And now we also have Lucius, (who I’m loving, so MORE OF HIM PLZ), who is already parting some wisdom on a personal level, but will also no doubt teach Bruce a bunch of tech stuff which will contribute to how he operates in the future. And he’ll also be an avenue for Bruce to learn about the corrupt, corporate side of the city, which he’ll need to know if he’s gonna try to undermine that nastiness.
So, all of that long, drawn out ramble to say that, basically, I’m really liking what they’ve got going on for Bruce. I think it’s laying some great foundations for who he’ll become, and I think he’s an important piece of the Gotham puzzle.
In other news…
Jerome scares the crap out of me in that “I can’t look away from the screen but I want to recoil from the screen” kinda way. Cameron is so brilliant in this role, I can’t even! That Russian Roulette scene…WHO DOES THAT?!
Seeing the police station with all those bodies lying everywhere was pretty hardcore.
Knew Essen was toast at some point as soon as she became Commisioner, because Jim’s gotta get that job somehow, but did not expect her to be killed so soon! Love that she stood her ground against Jerome. PS. Her telling Jerome that no one would even remember is name felt like some Joker confirmation to me, because Joker’s origin isn’t meant to be known.
I was bummed that the quiet, crazy guy in the Maniax, don’t remember his name, but the one the cops got, I was getting a kick outta him and was bummed he got killed.
Theo is so cold and controlled and scary, James Frain is killing it. They’ve said that his character’s true identity is someone who people will know from the comics, and even though I dunno much about the comics, I’m excited to see who he ends up being.
There was a fight with a sword and a chainsaw!
Shoutout to the cinematography, sometimes this show has some serious money shots, and in this ep it was the scene with the cheerleader’s bus, with the reflection of it in the mirror, and it was framed in a way that it kinda warped my brain for a second and I wasn’t sure what I was looking at. Here’s the screencap to show what I mean.
I get that Harvey’s fiancee doesn’t want him involved in the dangerous life, but danger’s in his blood, dammit, and she’ll just have to learn to accept it. I loved how Harvey was still giving Jim suggestions for the investigation even though he wasn’t supposed to be involved.
Ed finally impressed the girl, and he didn’t even have to listen to his sleazy other self and manipulate her into it, all he had to do was take a bullet for her.
Is anybody else singing Theo’s last name?
I too must disagree with RG. I like the Bruce stuff, and I wish the series would put more focus on Bruce becoming Batman. Gordon kind of bores me. He doesn’t even have a stache. Only one Gordon is allowed to not have a stache:
I have to agree with Phee that I actually enjoy having the Bruce Wayne and Alfred stuff. Yes this show is more about Gordon and the rest of the city of Gotham, but Bruce’s presence still plays an important role, even if he is just a kid. Yes Bruce’s origin story has already been told numerous times elsewhere, but Gotham opens up to opportunity to expand upon it. It’s not just Bruce, but Wayne Enterprises itself. Wayne Enterprises is heavily involved with the going ons of Gotham.
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