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S3 title reveal: “Better to Reign in Hell…”302 guess: “…Than to Serve In Heaven.”
Anyway, regarding the whole Poison Ivy thing, I saw that Clare Foley posted a picture of her with Donal Logue and tagged it “Season3,” which I found a bit odd…
[adrotate group="5"]A few teaser trailers for S3 have been released. Apparently it’s being called “Heroes Will Fall”
Here’s the one with Jamie!
(that camera, tho…)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Not to reopen the Ivy debate again but…
'Gotham' Season 3 Synposis Explains Poison Ivy's Age Jump https://t.co/RcCeqHAZSW pic.twitter.com/rZzLJSfUta
— Cultjer (@cultjer) August 9, 2016
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Press release for the premiere
IT’S A MAD CITY ON THE ALL-NEW SEASON THREE PREMIERE OF “GOTHAM” MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, ON FOX
Gordon works in a monster-ridden Gotham as a bounty hunter and seeks to find answers about the Indian Hill escapees, and why their powers appear to be killing them. Meanwhile, Bruce’s doppelganger roams the streets, and Barbara and Tabitha open a new nightclub called The Sirens in the all-new “Mad City: Better to Reign in Hell…” Season Premiere episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Sept. 19 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-301) (TV-14; L, V)
Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Morena Baccarin as Leslie Thompkins, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes
Guest Cast: Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney, Jamie Chung as Valerie Vale, James Carpinello as Mario, Tonya Pinkins as Ethel Peabody, Richard Kind as Mayor Aubrey James, Clare Foley as Ivy Peppe
So the subtitle for Season 3, at least the first half, is called “Mad City”. This makes sense with both the Indian Hills monsters on the loose, and with the Mad Hatter coming to the show.
Press release for the premiere
IT’S A MAD CITY ON THE ALL-NEW SEASON THREE PREMIERE OF “GOTHAM” MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, ON FOX
Gordon works in a monster-ridden Gotham as a bounty hunter and seeks to find answers about the Indian Hill escapees, and why their powers appear to be killing them. Meanwhile, Bruce’s doppelganger roams the streets, and Barbara and Tabitha open a new nightclub called The Sirens in the all-new “Mad City: Better to Reign in Hell…” Season Premiere episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Sept. 19 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-301) (TV-14; L, V)
Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Morena Baccarin as Leslie Thompkins, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes
Guest Cast: Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney, Jamie Chung as Valerie Vale, James Carpinello as Mario, Tonya Pinkins as Ethel Peabody, Richard Kind as Mayor Aubrey James, Clare Foley as Ivy Peppe
So the subtitle for Season 3, at least the first half, is called “Mad City”. This makes sense with both the Indian Hills monsters on the loose, and with the Mad Hatter coming to the show.
Mario Pepper’s back. Hmm…
Not seeing Maggie Geha on the cast list. Hmm…
So season premiere thoughts?
General: This is really a set-up episode; things in Gotham are girm(er) and bleak(er) as usual and the only true shift in the show’s paradigm is that Jim has gone rogue and finally left GCPD. I guess we’re supposed to understand that Gotham is at an all time low (if only Baby!Batman would grow up faster!) and that it’s going to get worse (and crazier) before it gets better. What I did like is that my usual complaint–tonal shifts between arcs–seems to have vanished. All the arcs–Penguin, Jim, Baby!Batman, Baby!Catwoman and Fish–are all similar in tone and approach, with no one character going off on their own little jaunt that has nothing to do with the larger stories (like Penguin last year).
LIKED
–Jamie! Mulan, AKA: Valerie! I shall continue to think she’s Mulan and that she finally escaped the ONCEiverse and changed her name to Valerie.
–“I get drunk when I want…I sleep. Cause saving Gotham isn’t my job anymore..” This is an interesting new take on Jim. He’s been “dark” before but not “morose” and here’s he’s almost without hope; a vigilante before Gotham’s Baby!Batman can grow up. In order to be the hero Gotham needs, can you do it alone? Subtle foreshadowing for Batman too.
–LOL at Penguin bringing Nygma a puzzle box, a sweater, and biscuits. Like some sort of bizarre married couple.
–I really do need to reiterate my love for Ed Nygma. Please let the season use him well.
–“Pancakes?” “Pancakes!”
DISLIKED
–Leah moved on that quickly? It was only a few weeks in between leaving Gotham and when Jim went to find her, right? I mean, I’m not shamming her but that seems awfully fast and convenient and really a disservice to her character–we don’t get to see any of her emotional journey from former pregnant fiancee to this new happy lady. Is the actress not on the show anymore? (no, she’s in the PR)
–It completely escaped my notice that Tabitha was on the show as a regular. UGH. She has no color or definition or anything outside of “sex kitten into kink”
–What on earth is Fish wearing?? What is that cape??
UNSURE OF
–Storylines about kidnapped Bruce Wayne annoy me. He’s in no real danger. Spoiler alert: he’s Batman someday! So when he’s kidnapped (again!) I sort of roll my eyes because there are no stakes in a plot like this. But I’ll see where it goes.
–Still really confused by Clone!Baby!Batman
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Jamie! Mulan, AKA: Valerie! I shall continue to think she’s Mulan and that she finally escaped the ONCEiverse and changed her name to Valerie.
I like Valerie alot, the lady’s got spunk! She impressed right off the bat when she’s bombarding the Mayor and Barnes with questions, not being willing to buy into their half answers. And the way her eyes lit up when Penguin came in spilling truth tea all over the place was great.
“I get drunk when I want…I sleep. Cause saving Gotham isn’t my job anymore..” This is an interesting new take on Jim. He’s been “dark” before but not “morose” and here’s he’s almost without hope; a vigilante before Gotham’s Baby!Batman can grow up. In order to be the hero Gotham needs, can you do it alone? Subtle foreshadowing for Batman too.
I’m all about the foreshadowing. Seeing a Jim Gordon who has been through this phase in his life adds a dimension to his future relationship with Batman. I think maybe Valerie’s enthusiasm to do her job in a way that she believes will help the city, will rub off on Jim and bring him out of the hopeless, bounty hunting funk he’s in at the moment and eventually inspire him to go back to being a cop.
Also, we can’t mention that quote from Jim about drinking without also mentioning, “And do you really think I don’t get drunk when I want? *slurp*” from Harvey.
Also, we can’t mention that scene without me mentioning that I love Lucius.
LOL at Penguin bringing Nygma a puzzle box, a sweater, and biscuits. Like some sort of bizarre married couple.
The Nygmobblepot shippers must have been in HEAVEN over that scene! I liked Ed making the little origami penguin and telling Oswald that “Penguins. Eat. Fish.”
Leah moved on that quickly? It was only a few weeks in between leaving Gotham and when Jim went to find her, right?
She left Gotham while he was in jail, didn’t she? And he was in jail for some time because there was that montage of him outside in the yard at the jail through different types of weather to indicate the passing of seasons. I don’t recall if it was specified at what point during his stay in jail that she left town?
What on earth is Fish wearing?? What is that cape??
Are you really surprised that Fish got herself a cape tho? When she was walking and it was all billowing out, it kinda looked a bit like a manta ray gliding along, so maybe that’s what they were going for with the fishy aesthetic? I did really like the collar part on it.
Still really confused by Clone!Baby!Batman
Can we take a minute to give props to David, because for such a young actor he’s going a great job of playing these two characters so distinctly.
Speaking of child actors, while the ageing up of Ivy is still in the “RLY now is that necessary” basket, at least they did find a nice way of working the “how” of it into the story, by having that guy who ages people grab her for just a second before she fell.
Speaking of child actors, while the ageing up of Ivy is still in the “RLY now is that necessary” basket, at least they did find a nice way of working the “how” of it into the story, by having that guy who ages people grab her for just a second before she fell.
Right; still not sure how I feel about the general story line but at least it’s not straight up “traumatized youth becomes sex kitten young adult over night!” The aging up at least makes sense with the power presented.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If they play it right it could potentially add an interesting dynamic to Ivy and Cat’s relationship. Especially in this episode they drummed into us how much younger Ivy was, how much more naive, and how Cat was the older, wiser one. That won’t be the case the next time they run into each other. Just…PLZ do something more meaningful with it, rather than just having her suddenly old enough to play the sex kitten.
This was definitely a setup episode. But it was fine.
– Let’s keep Penguin in the streets of Gotham. Thanks. Is it me, or is he more hunched over now?
– More Nygma. Unfortunately with Ivy and and The Court of Owls, Mad Hatter, Bruce clone, Fish, Barbara and Tabitha, and many other monsters, I don’t see Nygma getting the lion share of screen time which is unfortunate to say the least.
– The Bruce clone is weird. They better have a good explanation for this that actually leads to something.
– More crazy Barbara!
– I’m sort of done with Fish Mooney. She is less interesting as a “supervillain” with powers than she was when she was just a crime boss in a power struggle with the other crime bosses.
– Poor Miss Peabody. Not sure why it was important to have her come back just to kill her off.
– Mulan is Valerie Vale. Done. Maybe she will finally get her happy ending. But probably not. She’ll probably fall in love with Jim and then die just in time for Jim to go back to Lee.
– They better explain why the Court of Owls guy didn’t just kill Bruce. You can’t have their boss say “do it quietly” and then have him just knock him out with chloroform. Otherwise it’s crap writing.
– The fight with that guy and Alfred was pretty sweet though. How many fights are going to take place in that one living room?
– Overall, it was ok. Everything just feels so disjointed. There are many plot threads going on and not much focus. I’d appreciate it more if we had a more focused story that really brought out the characters we love instead of just a massive rogue’s gallery.
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