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Anyone else end up really enjoy that finale? It had its flaws but I think it was the best one yet for the show. And no Harley…..interesting. And Butch is Solomon Grundy? Babs is dead? Crazy fight though. Long time coming. Riddler is frozen. Iceberg lounge. Rha’s? Man this finale had everything except Harley Quinn haha.
[adrotate group="5"]And no Harley…..interesting.
Most speculation I’ve seen is that the girl who Bruce svaes at the end in the alley with her parents is a young Harley.
Overall I really enjoyed the season as a whole, though a few things in the last few eps got a bit “meh”. Like I get how they needed to show Bruce going through the process with the Shaman, otherwise it would have made no sense for how he came back SO brainwashed that he’d even kill Alfred (OMG!), but those scenes with the Shaman did end up dragging. And for whatever reason, even though I really enjoy the camp in this show and over the top villains, the Executioner thing was a bit cringe inducing for me. And I can really do without Lee, so I hope she’s gone for good. She was dull most of the time, and did get more interesting when she got Tetched, but it kinda bugged me how apparently the show doesn’t know how to write a female character as interesting unless she has a dark side.
The finale felt a bit all over the place at times, I get that Gotham = chaos, but it all seemed a bit hastily cobbled together. Then there were bits where they kept repeating a similar theme, of 2 characters having a seemingly final face to face showdown, and I get what they were doing with each scene, but the repitition got a tad tiresome.
Also I’m definitely biased, but dang those League of Assassins members looked like bumbling fools compared to the discipline of the LoA in Arrow. Gotham’s R’as must not be that tough of a task master if his minions stumble around that much.
Alfred was the MVP of the finale. In the midst of all the stuff that didn’t really hit home for me, Alfred made me want to cry multiple times.
Ed (sorry, Riddler) and Oswald were the MVPs of the season as a whole. How that relationship has been developed into their little feud to the death (but as if either of them could actually kill the other) is really engaging, and CMS and RLT are both FLAWLESS in their performances and have me enthralled whenever either of them in on screen.
I finally got to sit down and watch the finale!
GENERAL THOUGHTS: What an emotionally satisfying and gripping end to Gotham’s most successful season yet! This was the year I became much more of a proper Gotham fan largely because I think the show found its sweet spot: the bat-guano crazy villains of Ed, Penguin, Tetch, and Jerome. S1 was drivel; S2 never lived up to all its potential but S3 was the first season where I was legitimately excited to watch it every Monday.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the CoO or Bruce and Shaman storylines but it did end with total chaos in Gotham which was delightful. I do wonder, though, if this isn’t too soon for Batman. Sure, he’s a Young!Batman but Bruce’s still only 16/17 and to be that far along in his story seems rushed. Going along with that, a lot of the villains are really just getting started. Ed has only just now started to call himself the Riddler. Gotham needs a hero, to be sure, but it’s not utterly desperate for one quite yet.
I’d be glad to never see Barnes or Lee ever again.
Also, 100% here for whatever the writers are doing with Nygmobblepot. Enemies, friends, frenemies, murder-husbands. Whatever.
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–Killer Grandma is excellent and incredibly Gotham. Also, I really like the panning back to reveal just how far gone the city is.
–“Yes. I’m blaming it on the butler!”
–“I should cook him.”
–“Also, I think your children are angry with you…” RLT’s delivery of that line is hilarious.
–“I love you, Master Bruce. I would do anything for you. I would die for you.” Alfred’s speech to Bruce in the police station and later at the Demon’s Head lair *wrecked* me, guys.
–“I may have a virus that making me freakishly strong and mildly insane but even I know you were a sidekick to your brother and a sidekick to Barbara.” Okay, Lee. I’ll give you that one.
–I really need a few meta jokes about Bashir al Ghul having a best friend who runs a clothing shop but sometimes works as a spy.
–“You mean gloat?” “Yes, I do.” “It was always one of you less attractive qualities, Oswald.” Lord help me but I am HERE for Nygmobblepot until the bitter end.
–“It is my turn! It is my turn to kill you!” These two. THESE TWO. Ed throwing Oswald’s love in his face was hard but it also goes to show how well these two get each other. Os knows just what to say to make Ed shake with rage. And I agree with @Phee. They could never actually kill each other. In the most bizarre way possible, they love each other and are connected.
–“You were the one time I let love weaken me and I want you around as a constant reminder to never let that happen again.” My insides!
MIXED
–RIP, Fish? I mean they’ve faked us out so many times already with her.
–Do we think Barbara is really dead? That seems like such a waste given how much more interesting she’s become since S1. It’s a crying shame if she really is, but at least it’s a proper shocking death I didn’t see coming. Also, really great fight between Tabby and Barbara.
–“What? You’ve never seen a mason jar filled with blood before?” Okay funny line but how did Harvey and Jim even get out? Harvey just said it was impossible. Gotham has an annoying habit of telling the audience there’s a problem and then handwaving it away in the next scene while also speeding up time (Harvey and Jim escape AND manage to get to the police station that quickly?)
–Yeah, it’s really fast but dang it if I didn’t get serious chills seeing Bruce stand atop a high building in Gotham, having found the one thing he truly loves and is willing to protect.
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–LOL at these League of Assassins operatives. Looks like the Gotham writers need a bit of an Arrow S3 watch.
–The costume for Mr. Freeze is still really terrible, though better than the one for Barnes/The Executioner.
–The same misogynistic vein that runs through OUAT runs through Gotham as well. Any time a woman “goes bad” she’s vamped up, showing more skin than before and being hypersexual. Lee’s costuming and makeup, Selina’s costume, even Ivy’s new aged up personality. The Madonna/Whore/Good/Bad thing is more than just a little bit gross.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Not strictly Gotham related, but more Batman related…
RIP, Adam West
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/adam-west-dead-dies-batman-1202461532/
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Season 4 premieres on Thursday, September 28th at 8pm!
http://tvline.com/2017/06/22/fox-premiere-dates-fall-2017-empire-lucifer/
4×01 “Pax Penguina”
General: I finally got to sit down and watch the season opener! I’ve missed talked about this show with you guys. Overall I really liked the premiere and their focus on the city itself and how it has changed because of all the madness that happened last year.
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–Licenses to commit crime is a really interesting narrative set up. There’s a lot the show could do with that this year. And of course Penguin is the one who thought it up.
–I believe there is a mandate in place that Penguin must have a new hair style every year. I like this more spiky version. RLT pulls it off well.
–“He’s dead, remember. No that that matters in this city anymore.” Bless you Harvey.
–“Does this mean we can get pizza?” I’ve never been enamored of Tabby but her teacher/student relationship with Baby!Catwoman was enjoyable.
–Penguin is still one of the best things about this show and I love (of course I do) that he’s keeping Ed around as more or less a sounding board for his emotional outbursts. Os might believe he has “frozen” his emotions but clearly not.
–Selena’s blue dress is gorgeous. Also, “why can’t you two just go to the cinema like normal teenagers?!” LOL
MIXED
–I’m not sure how I feel about Scarecrow Jr being back. His first go around in S1 was really underwhelming and suffered from a lot of writing issues that plagued most of S1. They’ve done better since–like with Penguin and Riddler and Tetch–but I hesitate to warm up to Scarecrow Jr.
–The show is really embracing Baby!Batman. This has always been an issue for me because Gotham is better as a villain origin story and Batman should only be on the outskirts of the sotry but David does a nice job playing this new Dark Knight.
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–Gotham…when it comes to Ivy could you just…not?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I liked the first couple of episodes for the most part. The whole batman turning into batman thing I could do without. It just seems so early for that but they couldn’t think of anything else to do with Bruce. It looks like they are making Barbara a good guy again which I don’t like. I want diabolical Barbara. I wanted Harley Quinn. What the heck happened to that. The whole killing licenses thing is good. I’m intrigued. No Riddler is a bummer at the moment. Tabitha and Selina has been good. Ivy has been horrendous. I thought the scarecrow was ok. Parts of it were cool and was basically a batman begins rip-off when it came to the special effects. But the whole embracing your fear seems way too close to the whole Tetch story line for my liking. The show needs a big bad overarching villain like Tetch last season and I’m not sure who that is right now. Ra’s? Like what is his deal? I’m liking Gotham right now, but I fear it could be drifting a bit.
So far, I have enjoyed these two episodes FAR more than season 3, as a WHOLE. I just did not like season 3.
It looks like they are making Barbara a good guy again which I don’t like. I want diabolical Barbara.
I did not get that impression at all. She’s just at odds with the Penguin.
No Riddler is a bummer at the moment.
Yeah his absence is definitely felt.
I’m not sure how I fell about Barbara’s death being undone (though I did laugh at the total lampshade moment of her “it’s Gotham. Next time…check a pulse.”) Death is going to stop meaning anything if everyone just keeps on coming back.
Episode 2 was fine but it didn’t really stand out for any particular reason. I miss Nygma a lot.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"4×03 “They Who Hide Behind Masks”
Actually watching live tonight, so if my thoughts get scattered…sorry 🙂
–Very cool cold opening, cheesetastic dramatic orchestral music and all! Bashir al’ghul lives!
–Falcone’s “place down south” is possibly the most sun the show has ever seen. Seriously, I actually thought we had cut to commercial until I saw Jim in the car.
–I smell a Jim and Sophia romance coming. I’m down for it (good cop and a mobster’s daughter?!) but please let Sophia be more interesting than Lee.
–“Kinda…opens up the room.”
–Myrtle is basically Kathy Bates in Misery? Is she gonna break Ed’s knees to prevent him from running…? (AKA: what an odd storyline!)
–So Ed’s time in the iceberg didn’t affect his ability to speak or his memories or his sociopathy…but he can’t do riddles or “mastermind” his way out of problems? That’s an oddly specific medical condition.
–“I show up and buy a knife. Should be easy enough; I am a billionaire.”
–Bruce Wayne: Billionaire Brat was hilarious.
Some general thoughts: I feel like Gotham has slogged through these last two episodes, though the I was more interested this week just because of Ed’s return. While Gotham does silly and zany really well, IMO, (see: last year’s Tetch storyline) this year nothing is captivating me so far. I dunno…we need Ed and Os back to being Ed and Os, wrecking havoc on the city and each other.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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