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I can agree that it was disjointed. This was the part of the season where they’d gotten the order for more eps, so they were having to extend beyond what they’d originally planned, so I can see how things ended up a bit that way. I enjoyed most of the separate parts though.
I’m always gonna love anything with Oswald, that’s a given. And I’m also gonna love anything with Mama Cobblepot. I loved her horribly sung, mournful song, and I loved that Oswald killed the guy who dissed her.
I can always do without Barbara, and honestly I’d been hoping she wouldn’t show up again until she had the start of a baby bump so we didn’t have to worry about her and Jim ever getting back together even for a one night stand. It’s a bit ridiculous how easily she accepted that these two homeless kids were shacked up in her apartment. But then if you consider that lately she’s been hanging out with Jim, Renee, and her parents, all people who have told her where to go in various ways, I can buy it that hanging out with Cat and Ivy was a welcome change, so she just went with it. Plus she’s probably been high and/or drunk for most of the time we haven’t seen her, so she’s not really in her right mind.
Bruce going to the Board was a long time coming, and I loved that he was this little boy, totally putting a bunch of adults on notice, whilst reading notes from a notebook page with creepy doodles on it. I think they got that scene just right.
I’m actually appreciating Fish more now. Before I was always thinking a bit of, “Oh honey, you really believe you can take down the freaking Mob Boss?” so she came off as a bit tryhard sometimes. But now I’m actually kinda impressed that she ended up at the absolute bottom of the food chain and efficiently took control of her own mob of people. I’m intrigued to see who they’re taking her to meet with, and how it’ll all work into her plans to worm her way back into Gotham. Before I just kinda expected her to end up dead and I wouldn’t mind how soon it happened. Now I hope she sticks it out for a bit longer.
I’m meh about Jim and Leslie. I’m glad he’s not with Barbara, so I’m fine with him being with Lesie instead, but the actors have zero chemistry IMO. I think Morena’s disembodied, computerised voice has more chemistry in brief scenes with Tom Cavangh on The Flash than her whole self has with Ben McKenzie. I like Leslie fine as a character, (though it grated a bit that in this ep they had a riddle and Ed didn’t get to solve it, so she needs to step off the riddles), I’m just not feeling the ship feels.
And I kinda love how they’ve set up the guy who will end up being the Joker, (I know they haven’t officially confirmed it yet, but c’mon you know he will be). I like that if you think about how he’ll end up dressed as a clown, and his future girlfriend will dress like one too, that it can all be traced back some sort of twisted oedipus complex and matricide thing. It’s messed up, as the Joker should be.
And I like that he has ties to the Graysons because it felt to me like they might be setting it up so that if the show ever gets to a point where they do have a fully formed Joker, they could quite believably have a story where he goes and wipes out the circus, kills the Graysons, and that’s how Dick ends up with Bruce, which would automatically pit Batman and the Joker against each other on a personal level.
Also, Cameron Monaghan was FABULOUS, and I hope we see some more of him.
They have thrown a LOT of characters at us this season in little chunks. I can only assume that that was their original plan because if they didn’t end up getting a full season, they still wanted to fit in a lot of Batman-y things. But as set up for a long term show, I think it can work out if they use certain characters sparingly to build them up over several seasons, now that they’ve been introduced. I dunno what their endgame for this season will be, but I feel like they’ll be able to get some longevity out of the show.
The finale is in two(?) weeks
There are 22 eps total, so we’ve got 6 left.
[adrotate group="5"](though it grated a bit that in this ep they had a riddle and Ed didn’t get to solve it, so she needs to step off the riddles)
After she solved the riddle I got a very distinct Harley Quinn vibe. I had thought the girl in the file room that Nygma flirts with was going to be Harley, but…now I’m not so sure.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"After she solved the riddle I got a very distinct Harley Quinn vibe. I had thought the girl in the file room that Nygma flirts with was going to be Harley, but…now I’m not so sure.
Well Harley Quinn is supposed to be a doctor that worked at Arkham. But Leslie is her own separate character in the comics and she’s not a nutjob. So I dunno if they’d mash up those two characters?
I fully expect Kristen Kringle to end up dead and that’ll be what makes Ed snap and go dark.
I fully expect Kristen Kringle to end up dead and that’ll be what makes Ed snap and go dark.
Most likely. I just hope they give Nygma more to *do*
I really like watching him, almost as much as Penguin so it’s a shame that they’ve made him just comic relief for the moment
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh and speaking of character mashups, a friend of mine pointed out this:
It’s still possible the kid’s not Joker. Previews mentioned a new criminal “The Red Hood”. In classic Batman lore, it’s the Red Hood who took the dive into all those chemicals and presumably, the “joker kid” is still in custody for murdering mommy. There’s ways they could write around all this.
So the Red Hood from next week could be the Joker Kid
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I fully expect Kristen Kringle to end up dead and that’ll be what makes Ed snap and go dark.
Most likely. I just hope they give Nygma more to *do* I really like watching him, almost as much as Penguin so it’s a shame that they’ve made him just comic relief for the moment
Ed seems like such a sweet guy…..I’m still wondering, what the heck turned you into the Riddler?
Jim and Leslie…I ship it so hard. I hate Barbra, and would throw anything I can get my hands on at that woman. Like…nooo…don’t come crawling back now!
But Fish Mooney…Fish, Fish, Fish, Fish, Fish….she’s everything on this show to me! Even when she’s in an underground black market, she still manages to climb her way to the top!! And I’m not gonna lie…I want her to crack Penguin’s skull open. He used to be so interesting, now he’s just downright annoying to me. I know they can’t kill him, but ohhh…I want Fish to give him the beating of a lifetime!
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It’s still possible the kid’s not Joker. Previews mentioned a new criminal “The Red Hood”.
Joker, so far, seems to be a kind of spirit of Arkham that has yet to settle on a host body, if the laughter when the fake nurse got her face bloodied was more than just a stylistic choice. I think “creepy guy in police interview room” is just more fan service, like the bad comedian in Fish’s club; the show sometimes takes the easy route and draws from the successes of past works instead of making its own. The alternate histories from the comics suggest that Gotham will always make a Joker; the show can stretch this out for years.
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How do you all feel about posting general spoilers here relating to the show? Casting announcements and stuff?
That’s fine.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh and speaking of character mashups, a friend of mine pointed out this:
It’s still possible the kid’s not Joker. Previews mentioned a new criminal “The Red Hood”. In classic Batman lore, it’s the Red Hood who took the dive into all those chemicals and presumably, the “joker kid” is still in custody for murdering mommy. There’s ways they could write around all this.
So the Red Hood from next week could be the Joker Kid
The Joker actually doesn’t have one canon origin story in the comics. He has several, and they contradict each other. That’s the whole point behind the mystery of the character. The one you’re describing is “The Killing Joke”, which is the most famous origin story. The creators have even said months ago in interviews that we may see several possible “Jokers.”
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