Grace and Alice

[RumplesGirl]

I don’t know if it’s forever Victorian England but I think that makes the most sense given that’s where Alice is. They have a lot more characters to play with if they stick to Victorian England.

[kfchimera]

Well what about the Land without Color? How does time move in these fictional realms, is it on a repeating loop so society does not advance?

I think the idea that all three Grace, Alice and Red Queen are related would be interesting.

But they have said Will the Knave goes back to the enchanted Forrest. So how? I do not see him fitting with any characters we met already.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[obisgirl]

Alice was in Fictional Victorian England though, (unlike the Darlings, who were in our world), which I think they’ve said is basically just stuck looking like Victorian England, no matter how much time passes, (though I can’t remember right now where I read that last bit, so don’t quote me)?

I found the tweet!

@Punk_Bunny_87 yes

— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) June 9, 2013

[RumplesGirl]

I don’t know but that’s a really interesting question. Basically: does Elizabeth Bennett die and give rise to Hermione Granger? I really wish I had an answer to that. But the back of my mind says that it’s perpetually Victorian London. I’m guessing this is one of those “it’s magic!” question and answers.

In the promo the Alice says to the Knave “I once helped you get your heart back” which to means that Will had an encounter with either Cora or Regina. But what on earth did he do to them to warrant heart ripping?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[obisgirl]

In the promo the Alice says to the Knave “I once helped you get your heart back” which to means that Will had an encounter with either Cora or Regina. But what on earth did he do to them to warrant heart ripping?

In Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland, the Red Queen liked her subjects to only be devoted to her and only her. Maybe the Red Queen became jealous of the friendship between the knaves’ relationship with Alice and ripped the Red Queen ripped his heart out. Maybe Cora taught her about the heart ripping thing to keep her subjects in line.

[RumplesGirl]

I’ve wondered before if the RQ and the QoH have an uneasy alliance. Cora was in WL for–what?–10 years? What if the RQ helped Cora secure the QoH throne in exchange for teaching her magic, especially the heart ripping trick.

As for Alice, the Knave and Cora, I’m not sure but my hesitancy stems from not having a timeline. I think it could work because what we know is: Alice goes to WL in the past (but not too past because she’s close to the same age she is now); meets Cyrus; world hops; is sent (forced? how did she get back to FLondon?); is locked up; breaks out; goes in search of Cyrus.
So part of her adventures with Cyrus could be getting the Knave’s heart back from Cora/the RQ.

Random: does anyone remember if they told us the Red Queen’s real name?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[obisgirl]

I’ve wondered before if the RQ and the QoH have an uneasy alliance. Cora was in WL for–what?–10 years? What if the RQ helped Cora secure the QoH throne in exchange for teaching her magic, especially the heart ripping trick.

I can see that.

Random: does anyone remember if they told us the Red Queen’s real name?

Iracebeth. It was mentioned briefly in the movie.

[Phee]

At D23, they implied that RQ learned stuff from QoH.

[RumplesGirl]

Are they using Iracabeth for our RQ though?

Also, Iracabeth is the name they give Tim Burton’s character who is an amalgam of both the RQ and the QoH. And I don’t know if that name is actually from Caroll as it was a play on the word “irascible.” Anyone know if it’s originally Carroll’s name for the RQ?

**EDIT**

Quick Wikipedia glances tell me that Iracabeth is just a Burton name for the RQ/QoH character of HBC. So I don’t know if it’s her *real* name. In fact, I don’t think Carroll gave her a name.

**EDIT 2**

Apparently Alice’s sister is nameless but has been given many names:

Alice’s beautiful older sister, who reads a book without illustrations or dialogue, sits on the bank with Alice at the beginning of the book. Alice falls asleep with her head in her sister’s lap and has the dream about Wonderland. When Alice awakes, she tells her sister about her dream, and the book closes with her sister daydreaming about what Alice will be like as a grown-up.

Some believe that she is named Lorina after Alice’s real-life sister. Her name was never revealed in Disney’s film, however she was named Mathilda in Disney’s Alice in Wonderland Jr. She is named Aida in the 1995 film. In the 2010 film she is married and her name is Margaret.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_characters_in_the_Alice_series#Alice.27s_sister

Now I really wanna know our RQ’s name.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

So I’m not sure I’d consider Will having his heart ripped by Cora to be much of a tie to FTl, unless it happened there and not IN wonderland. But maybe that’s the extent of his tie.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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