Guess who’s sticking around for the rest of the season?

[beastwhisperer]

I have friends who ship Captain Swan, and we have lots of fun chatting about OUAT. Folks can definitely be fans of multiple characters, ships, and actors. It’s just the rude things that a few shippers have said about actors that I find unneccessary. (The whole Twitter thing.) Any fan is welcome here as far as I’m concerned. While Neal is my favorite way to ship Emma, I kinda multiship lots of characters on this show.

I loved MRJ in Terriers and True Blood. If you run across a chance to see him in Terriers you’d probably enjoy checking him out in that. He was adorable as Britt. He has some of the cutest expressions.

[jasperann]

I will have to check him out in Terriers!! I just learned about him from True Blood and I loved his acting abilities. Then we I seen him at the beginning of this season I was so excited. 😀

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@CinnamonHummingbird wrote:

I can’t see Hook with anyone but Milah, tbh. After all it would make the whole vengeance arc a little bit preposterous for me, if he suddenly finds another “true love”. He could “hook up” with one of the available females, but having the same measurement of affection and love he once shared with Milah makes the whole structure and build-up of his story arc seem a bit unsteady and non credible.

..and the fact that I can’t see the point in vengeance over a dead body at all, which is a general aversion and has nothing to do with the character himself. 🙁

I think, at the end of the day, that’s gonna be the big lesson that Hook is gonna learn, that holding onto that anger for 250 odd years wasn’t really worth it, and that’s not the life Milah would have wanted for him, (similar to how FrankenDaniel told Regina to let him go and love again). That’s why I think Hook can love again, and someone’s gonna come along and show him that it’s possible to move on and be happy. That doesn’t negate his vengeance story arc, that arc will have been necessary in order for him to realise how special it is when he finally wakes up and gets his second chance.

[tiara_rose]

I would think Hook and Regina have sonthing in common. They would not need to give up there first love. They would understand that Hook will always love Milha and Regina will alwas love Daniel. But I think they can maybe love each other too, without losing there first love and both loves could be True.

But I don’t want that relationship in the moment. Maybe in the next season, but not now.

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@tiara_rose wrote:

I would think Hook and Regina have sonthing in common. They would not need to give up there first love. They would understand that Hook will always love Milha and Regina will alwas love Daniel. But I think they can maybe love each other too, without losing there first love and both loves could be True.

But I don’t want that relationship in the moment. Maybe in the next season, but not now.

Yes, they’re the only two single main characters right now that don’t have a true love that is alive onscreen, since both of their true loves were murdered in front of them, who are starting around the same level of wrongful deeds. While I’m not sure they could actually be together for very long and both start to redeem themselves, but at least there’s less chance of them being judged by each other for their misdeeds imo, then if they tried to pair up either one of them with someone else already on the canvas who could come across as self-righteous if it wasn’t written just the right way. For instance, there’s already Rumple and Belle for as a romantic relationship of a “good” person loving a “bad” person and trying to get the “bad” person to become good, and there’s even Regina and Henry for a similar type of story only done non-romantically. So while they could do the story again, I would worry because they don’t want to make it too similar, imo, to those stories because it’s going to get boring, but at the same time, if they try to write it differently the “good” person might across as too self-righteous, and instead of people feeling sorry for the “good” person when the “bad” person does something bad, and they fight over it, it can backfire which has happened in the Henry and Regina relationship to some degree because with some fans Henry can’t win no matter what he does.

Further, while I wouldn’t say that Dr. Whale is exactly innocent like Ruby, I don’t think his deeds are as bad as Hook’s since he didn’t deliberately seek to harm anyone. I’m still ambiguous about his father’s death because while he didn’t help his father out at all, I don’t think he went there to kill him either, but most of the black and white scenes involving his father or brother were very awkward, imo. So for now I’m going to give Dr. Whale the benefit of the doubt because at least Ruby did talk some sense into him to get him to go back and save the Outsider’s life. Plus, like Dr. Whale and Ruby are similar in that they’re both single people who can be grouped together because in our world, Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein, and the Mummy all tend to be thought of in the same type of category maybe because of the 1930s movies like Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein.

Neal isn’t exactly innocent either, but as far as I know right now, his deeds are similar to Emma’s, and he hasn’t taken anyone’s heart out and helped control them or tried to murder anyone. (That’s why in “The Cricket Game”, I didn’t buy the writers trying to make Emma feel guilty that she use to be like Regina. Not that she was a perfect angel, but there was a world of difference from Emma’s life of crime, and the line that Regina crossed into.) While Nealfire might be sympathetic to Regina because he might feel that his father was responsible for helping turn Regina, which in a lot of ways he was, I don’t think that Regina needs an enabler like her father because that wasn’t a healthy relationship at all, but at the same time, she doesn’t react well to people other than Henry throwing her past deeds in her face, so I’m not sure they could find the right balance there for Neal. I need to see more of him before I come to any conclusions.

Also, I admit that I’m biased because while the writers might love to do a triangle, I think the most important triangle is already the one between Emma, Henry, and Regina, so to have a Emma, Neal, and Regina triangle would just be overkill. I would also think that Neal would have enough sense not to get involved with Regina because it would only complicate matters even more between everyone, and while he and Emma may never happen again, there’s other people that he could end up with who wouldn’t make things as complicated as him being in a relationship with Regina. Although I must confess before this season during the summer, I thought about the idea of Bae/Regina possibly happening, but the way they wrote his character and his relationship with Emma, I can’t do that now because it’s clear both he and Emma have too many issues to resolve.

[tiara_rose]

I think too that Emma, Henry and Regina is the most important triangle. It has to be awful for Henry to not have both mothers, because Regina want him alone and now start to fight. I hope it is only a trick and she will turn against her mother to protect the people Henry love. That would really redeem her and she will be really the mother of the year (not like Cora).

But if Neal is Bae and he come to Storybrook. It would be really interesting their first talk. I mean she is the person, who look after Henry until he was ten. She is the person his father manipulated her to be the evil queen. She is the person that would be Bae if he stayed by his father. It is really interesting how they both are connected without even knowing each other.

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[Josephine]

Hmmm…maybe even connected by blood? *sorry, on my Rumple is Regina’s father kick and doesn’t know it*

Just as long as he doesn’t try to stake a claim over Henry, the poor kid needs a break

I see your point, but I don’t think Neal is going to walk away from his son. His own dad, in his eyes probably, abandoned him at an age not much older than Henry. I think he’s going to be really sensitive about the fact that he missed out on eleven years of Henry’s life and want to spend as much time as possible. We can understand and even applaud Emma’s giving up Henry for a better life. She was a teenager in jail with no money, no family, and no boyfriend/husband. But Neal is going to look at from the stance that if he had know he’d have stuck by Emma and damn the consequences (sorry…the “d” word was never a curse word in this connotation in my house..can’t think of another). He never would have did what his father did to him to his own son, if you get my meaning.

I do think down the road, the path to forgiving Gold for Neal is realizing the parallels between Henry and himself and Gold. Like, “here I am telling my son this, but I’m not listening to my own words.” I think Gold and Neal are going to have to live in the same town for quite a while before anything can be patched up.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[beastwhisperer]

@Josephine wrote:

I do think down the road, the path to forgiving Gold for Neal is realizing the parallels between Henry and himself and Gold. Like, “here I am telling my son this, but I’m not listening to my own words.” I think Gold and Neal are going to have to live in the same town for quite a while before anything can be patched up.

Neal seems like he is longing for a family, and I can’t see him abandoning Henry, especially if he feels like he was abandoned by his own parents. Experiencing fatherhood would give Neal a new perspective on his father’s feelings too. I could see great potential for it to bring them together. I’m sure Henry will want Neal in his life. He sounded very curious about his father when he asked Emma in season 1.

[jasperann]

@BeastWhisperer wrote:

@Josephine wrote:

I do think down the road, the path to forgiving Gold for Neal is realizing the parallels between Henry and himself and Gold. Like, “here I am telling my son this, but I’m not listening to my own words.” I think Gold and Neal are going to have to live in the same town for quite a while before anything can be patched up.

Neal seems like he is longing for a family, and I can’t see him abandoning Henry, especially if he feels like he was abandoned by his own parents. Experiencing fatherhood would give Neal a new perspective on his father’s feelings too. I could see great potential for it to bring them together. I’m sure Henry will want Neal in his life. He sounded very curious about his father when he asked Emma in season 1.

Whatever they do I hope they don’t have Emma and Neal get back together like nothing happened… They have so much they need to figure out AND deal with. It would also go against what the writers have been saying to us through the characters. Like:

Belle: You fight for what you want and never give up.
Hook: If you don’t fight for what you want you deserve what you get.
Mulan: You have to find something worth fighting for.

(all of those are generally what they said not exactly.)

In my opinion Neal didn’t fight for what he wanted he walked away. Now my opinion may change when I find out what was in the box, but really what could it have been to make him leave the one person he loved most without a fight? So now I want to see him fight for what he wants, I don’t want it to be easy. If they do it right I think I would be okay with it.

I also want to see how Emma explains to Henry why she told him his dad was dead. Did she really think he was dead because she didn’t find him in Tallahassee in those two years? Did she become a ‘bounty hunter’ because she was trying to find Neal? Was Neal someone she just couldn’t find? Or did she become a ‘bounty hunter’ so that she could track down bad guys like she thought Neal actually was? As a sort of pay back for him turning on her. I hope they (the writers) touch on these things.

Those things don’t even touch on all the questions I will have when we find out 100% that Neal is Bae. That adds Rumple in the equation, tons of story possibilities. 😆

[Josephine]

See, I think Neal gave Emma up that easily because he loved her that much. If he’s Bae, he knows the damage that magic can do and think that it has to be stopped at any cost, for all of their sakes. In a sense, he did the same thing that her parents did. They all loved her enough to let her go and had faith. Like the famous saying, if you love something enough, set it free.

I think they have a lot to work out. I don’t see them even attempting to pair them together this season, but I do think Swanfire/SwanThief is endgame. They’ve just got a lot of issues and aren’t in a place to do it this season. I also think it’s telling that JMo knew from the pilot who Henry’s father was, but wasn’t introduced until halfway through Season 2 and we’re still not positive who exactly Neal really is.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

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