Have Regina and/or Rumple been truly redeemed?

[Felie]

Do you think Rumple and Regina have faced their past atrocities and come out the other side redeemed? Or, like me, do you think they have yet to suffer any direct consequences to their actions?

Here’s what I mean; when I say that Rumple should have to face the consequences of, say, murdering that mute girl, his fans usually reply with something akin to ‘but he’s lost his son, I think he’s suffered enough.’ My problem with this line of thinking is that the ‘punishment’ of losing his son was never punishment for anything, it just happened, and is a separate event from the crimes he’s committed in the past and should be judged as such.

Put into real life terms; would you allow a man who was guilty of shooting a bunch of people to death to escape doing any time in  prison because his son died in a car crash after the shooting took place?

I would love to hear the thoughts and feelings of all types of fans on this issue, since I find the reasons people give fascinating when it comes to Rumple and Regina’s redemption.

[desa]

Rumpel could never be truly redeemed while he is the Dark One he is cursed it is not a matter of choice for him not like Regina.As to what he has been trough well he died and saved Storybrooke,he was also imprisoned and was a slave for a year that has to count for something.

[Grimmsister]

No. They havent. I guess will be my short answer for this. But then comes the question when is punishment enough punishment and is it done to punish only, or as a “side effect” of trying to help redeem them. But I dont think this can completely be apleyd on to the show. Because in real life massmurderes are not like what our Rumple and Regina are and they live in a different reality… obviously 😉

But really I hate the Word redeemed. I feel like it Mean,s when you are redeemed your past wrongs will be considered undone. And this is in my opinion, never possible. So in that sense, Rumple and Regina will never be redeemed. But that doesnt mean they can not change and be good people all the same, just not redeemed people.

[Felie]

I agree with you both in that they haven’t been redeemed. I think the only way for them to truly be redeemed (or whatever word you wish to use) would be for them to first-hand experience every bit of pain an suffering they’ve ever caused to others. This would be re-living all the fear, mental, emotional, and physical pain they’ve ever caused directly (via murder) and indirectly (the pain the families of dead victims felt), probably via some curse. Only then would I feel like they finally ‘get it’, and have truly suffered as they should in penance of their past crimes.

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[desa]

I agree that they should suffer but you don’t acknowledge how much have they suffered so far and non of them was happy and had a good life.

[Myril]

Because I don’t believe in damnation the idea of redemption never makes that much sense to me either. What done is done, and there is no payment, no punishment able to ever change that. When someone did something evil and finally understands it was evil and assumes responsibility instead of trying to explain it away with whatever, they have to live with that. No redemption.

But I believe people can change. And if they change and do things differently and do good I won’t held what evil they did in the past against them for the rest of their lives. Even better if they do something to help make the lives of those they made suffer better again, but anything good is a change.

There is no redemption, someone did evil and has to live with that. There might be forgiveness on the side of the victims, but that is of no importance for the one who did them evil, only important for those forgiving, for the sake of their souls, to be able to move on, to see the good still possible in life.

So no, neither Rumple nor Regina are redeemed, never will be. But what they can do is change.

Depending on what they make now of the situation with Marian and Robin would say Regina might be on a way to change. Yes, she lashed out to Emma, but she still can do things differently.

Concerning Rumple: Unless he starts to seriously look for a way to get rid of the curse of the Dark One, to destroy the dagger for good if any possible, but at least seriously goes on a quest to find a way, regardless if he will succeed, I say Rumple hasn’t changed much, at best on the surface. As long as he is the Dark One he will not truly change and stays the big bad of the show.

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[Grimmsister]

Myril:

Because I don’t believe in damnation the idea of redemption never makes that much sense to me either. What done is done, and there is no payment, no punishment able to ever change that. When someone did something evil and finally understands it was evil and assumes responsibility instead of trying to explain it away with whatever, they have to live with that. No redemption.

But I believe people can change. And if they change and do things differently and do good I won’t held what evil they did in the past against them for the rest of their lives. Even better if they do something to help make the lives of those they made suffer better again, but anything good is a change.

There is no redemption, someone did evil and has to live with that. There might be forgiveness on the side of the victims, but that is of no importance for the one who did them evil, only important for those forgiving, for the sake of their souls, to be able to move on, to see the good still possible in life.

So no, neither Rumple nor Regina are redeemed, never will be. But what they can do is change.

Depending on what they make now of the situation with Marian and Robin would say Regina might be on a way to change. Yes, she lashed out to Emma, but she still can do things differently.

Concerning Rumple: Unless he starts to seriously look for a way to get rid of the curse of the Dark One, to destroy the dagger for good if any possible, but at least seriously goes on a quest to find a way, regardless if he will succeed, I say Rumple hasn’t changed much, at best on the surface. As long as he is the Dark One he will not truly change and stays the big bad of the show.

Yes Yes And Yes to all of this. Oh Myril ! why are you always able to say the Things I am also thinking in such a clear and well put way?… Its not fair 😉 no, just kidding. Im glad you put it so well, this is exactly the same way I feel.

What ever bad thing a person has done in the past, is something they will always have to live with. And if they ever are able to understand, that what they did was wrong and change for the better, that is really all that matters. If you did wrong today, all you can do is change what you do tomorrow. That is the only form of “Redemption” I truely believe in. The punishment does not matter. The punishment for the sake of punishing, is just as much an act of “evil” as anything else.

I especially liked what you said about the forgiveness, from the people who were wronged. That forgiveness is most important for the victim and not for the ‘criminal’ or wrong-dooer.

[Gaultheria]

I think we all like Carlyle’s and Parrilla’s portrayals of their characters much more than we’d like Rumpel and Regina in real life.

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[Myril]

Yes Yes And Yes to all of this. Oh Myril ! why are you always able to say the Things I am also thinking in such a clear and well put way?… Its not fair no, just kidding. Im glad you put it so well, this is exactly the same way I feel.

Thanks. And it’s practice, practice, practice. You will find your own good words in time.

I think we all like Carlyle’s and Parrilla’s portrayals of their characters much more than we’d like Rumpel and Regina in real life.

Yeah, guess most of us would run meeting Rumple or Regina in real life.

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