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April 21, 2014 at 11:02 am #262866CorbinParticipant
So, hearts are annoying. The problem is that, while the concept is cool (albeit slightly twisted), it is never definite. So, it’s first defined as being able to be ripped out to crush it. THEN you can control it. THEN you can speak into it. THEN you can speak while holding it (from WL). THEN you can cast an enchantment to stop people from ripping it out (which, WHY DID REGINA NOT DO THIS TO HERSELF? SHE DID TO HENRY! IS THERE A RULE THAT YOU CAN’T DO IT WHEN YOU’RE OVER 18?!). THEN you can cast an enchantment to stop people from controlling you with it. Next, you can cast an enchantment to stop people from crushing it. I bet you this.
But why can’t they have clear heart rules? Why are there so many loopholes? Why is this the only show in which we can discuss the laws of magical hearts?
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April 21, 2014 at 11:16 am #262872Heart of DarknessParticipantWell, since Regina didn’t know that Zelena only wanted her heart rather than to kill her, maybe she didn’t keep it with her so Zelena couldn’t physically hurt it? I imagine stuff like a magic arrow would still harm it even if it can’t be ripped out.
April 21, 2014 at 11:29 am #262875PheeParticipantTHEN you can cast an enchantment to stop people from ripping it out (which, WHY DID REGINA NOT DO THIS TO HERSELF? SHE DID TO HENRY! IS THERE A RULE THAT YOU CAN’T DO IT WHEN YOU’RE OVER 18?!). THEN you can cast an enchantment to stop people from controlling you with it. Next, you can cast an enchantment to stop people from crushing it. I bet you this.
Doubtful on the last bit, because if it were possible, Regina would have done it. She was actually surprised that Zelena hadn’t killed her as soon as she got her heart. I guess, if she was expecting Zelena to kill her, then just putting a protection spell on herself to stop it being taken wouldn’t do much good, because Zelena could just kill her with her heart still inside her, if she couldn’t get it out of her. I suppose?
April 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm #262895OnyxParticipantBut why can’t they have clear heart rules? Why are there so many loopholes?
Because if they have clarity on the show, they will limit their own options. If they don’t have any loopholes, they will have to get creative and God forbid that ever happens. So we leave everything nice and open and vague so that we can later fix our mistakes and add some stuff we only thought of just now. Ergo, if they create rules, the writers themselves will have to obide by them and they simply do not wish to do so.
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April 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm #262910JhackParticipantSpeaking of hearts, I wonder if Regina’s heart will even work. For the curse to be done, the heart of the thing they love the most is required – Regina used her father’s, and Rumple said that he was the one Zelena loved most. Does Zelena even feel a slightest love for her half-sister? Or did Zelena simply need it to be Regina’s because they’re related? For some reason, I don’t think Regina having a ‘resilient’ heart is enough reason for Zelena to want her sister’s heart so much.
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April 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm #262912Heart of DarknessParticipantSpeaking of hearts, I wonder if Regina’s heart will even work. For the curse to be done, the heart of the thing they love the most is required – Regina used her father’s, and Rumple said that he was the one Zelena loved most. Does Zelena even feel a slightest love for her half-sister? Or did Zelena simply need it to be Regina’s because they’re related? For some reason, I don’t think Regina having a ‘resilient’ heart is enough reason for Zelena to want her sister’s heart so much.
Zelena knows what kind of heart she needs and obviously thinks Regina’s is suitable. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
This isn’t the dark curse, it doesn’t have to be “the heart of the thing they love most”. Belle said “resilient” and Zelena said “battered”… I’m assuming it has to do with the fact that even after everything she’s been through and everything she’s done, Regina’s heart still isn’t completely dark. It still has light in it and it can still love.
April 21, 2014 at 7:18 pm #262956once_dudeParticipantok, i thought that wonderland was vague with the knave being heartless and still feeling deep connection to alice and to anastasia. but seriously? true loves kiss wihtout a heart?
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April 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm #262982CindersParticipantFire and ice.
I wish Glinda had stopped time and had a private heart to heart with Regina and Zelena. Switch their hearts, one into the other, then start time again.
When Zelena casts her time warp spell and crushes the heart, it will be her own icy heart that dies. Zelena turns to ashes. And all that remains is Regina’s fiery heart, still beating, ready for a new day, a new love, and a new battle.April 27, 2014 at 2:48 pm #264208obisgirlParticipantIt just occurred to me about hearts (because this was talked about in a different thread), people who’s hearts were taken (Graham, Will) but had no control over their actions, their hearts would not darken because:
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April 27, 2014 at 3:16 pm #264213TheWatcherParticipantDont know if this was discussed, but Regina probably did have a spell on her heart to prevent it from being ripped out and used to control her… Except, she took it out HERSELF. If Zelena had tried, it probably wouldn’t have worked, but Regina was being safe and probably just didn’t bring it at all in case Zelena had a way around her spell.
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