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https://hellogiggles.com/emilie-de-ravin-interview/
Here’s where she talks about OUAT:
Edr: The Underworld is] really cool. Being in the Underworld is a whole new thing, which is pretty darn cool. It’s kinda like having everyone in Camelot, [but] now everyone is in a black and white world. It brings out a lot of traits in people you didn’t know necessarily [know]. People deal with a lot of fear, which is a big thing in the second half. People dealing with their fears, people coming to [revelations], people moving on, moving forward — or are they stuck? That’s really a big thing. And it’s visually really cool!
HG: Is there any potential RumBelle baby on the way? It feels like that’s been teased for SEASONS. I feel like things are going good… are things going good? It seems to change every episode.
EdR: It does, which I love, come on. Any interesting relationship you [want to] watch. [Belle and Mr. Gold] have a lot of hills and valleys in their relationship, which is truly cool and really fun to play with… because the stakes are so high. And yeah, I think they might be on the right track for that… possibly.
HG: Do you think Belle will ever find that true happiness?
EdR: Belle’s not looking for happiness! Belle has found inner happiness with herself. She’s not looking. She’s never been someone to look for someone else to fulfill a part of her. She wants that stable partner with somebody…that mirror effect with somebody else. The only [reason] she’s able to continue [her relationship with Mr. Gold] at all is because she’s not looking for someone to make her confident, or make her happy, or make her rich. She’s not looking for something to be fulfilled. She’s looking for a partnership that she can share that with someone.
[adrotate group="5"]So is Belle going to the underworld?
Not unless they come up with some sort of magical mcguffin to get her there.
So, yes Belle will go to the Underworld with help from some sort of magical thing that no one has ever heard of before.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Belle’s not looking for happiness! Belle has found inner happiness with herself. She’s not looking. She’s never been someone to look for someone else to fulfill a part of her. She wants that stable partner with somebody…that mirror effect with somebody else. The only [reason] she’s able to continue [her relationship with Mr. Gold] at all is because she’s not looking for someone to make her confident, or make her happy, or make her rich. She’s not looking for something to be fulfilled. She’s looking for a partnership that she can share that with someone.
Does anyone else think this total crap? Either Emilie is playing the character wrong, or the writers are writing the character wrong. This is not what I’ve concluded after seeing Belle for all these seasons.
Yeah I kinda think Emilie might be projecting her own desires on to the character. Because goodness knows Belle hasn’t been given nearly enough screen time or development for us to accurately say that what EdR is claiming is true.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"There have been some serious inconsistencies with the way the writers have portrayed Belle, but I don’t think Emilie’s wrong on this part. Belle wants Rumple in her life, because she loves him and believes in true love, but she also values her dignity and not hurting people and she’s trying to balance her values and desires at this point.
I think what Emilie is expressing is that Belle was never dependent upon Rumple for happiness; she finds her happiness through helping others. Part of why she’s struggled with the relationship with Rumple is that he’s never let her help as much as she wants to–from that moment in Skin Deep where he chose power over love the first time with her. When she’s been happiest with him is when he has accepted, or pretended to accept, that she has a lot to offer him (and, yanno, wasn’t hurting people that she knew about, cuz that matters too)–that is, when he’s treated her as a partner and included her in his plans. That’s what she wants out of their relationship, aside from the love.
I think this explains why she’s been able to leave Rumple when he’s gone too far in the past for her, and also why she’s been willing to go back. She knows she doesn’t need him–but she always wants him, and wants what she, definitely an idealist, believes they could have together.
But of course some of it is just the writers trying to have their cake (drama) and eat it too (Rumbelle magic). That ridiculously fast-paced whiplash OOC breakup-makeup at the end of S5A was totally that, and not even a partial resolution to the issues they created in S4. The caring, daring Belle they crafted in earlier episodes wouldn’t have showed up at the well to break Rumple’s heart; she would’ve shown up at the fight to help her beloved survive, and then explain things there. The confident, fed-up Belle we’ve seen elsewhere wouldn’t have run back into his arms just because he was trying to protect her, but might well have decided to try things again–slowly. But of course there is no time for that.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
But of course some of it is just the writers trying to have their cake (drama) and eat it too (Rumbelle magic).
This is exactly it. They love Rumple when he is power hungry and with magic. They like him as a villain, mainly because Robert Carlyle plays it so well. But they also want to maintain the Beauty and the Beast relationship with Belle. The end result, a complicated, back and forth, contradicting mess with poor old Belle. Unfortunately her character suffers because of what the writers want Rumple to do.
This is exactly it. They love Rumple when he is power hungry and with magic. They like him as a villain, mainly because Robert Carlyle plays it so well. But they also want to maintain the Beauty and the Beast relationship with Belle. The end result, a complicated, back and forth, contradicting mess with poor old Belle. Unfortunately her character suffers because of what the writers want Rumple to do.
I think that’s exactly right. If this is how Belle were in fact written — and if she had enough screen time to explore these issues — it’d be a genuinely interesting character and love story. But it isn’t — she doesn’t get enough screen time OR attention for all those nuances to come out. Instead, we get an inconsistent mess, made marginally compelling by the fact that RC and EdR have good screen chemistry and are talented actors.
The other issue with the writing is that A&E appear to have a kind of centralized redistributive economy going on with their character arcs. So by wanting Rumple to be villainous again, they also appear to be giving away/reattributing Rumple’s qualities and character “milestones” to other characters (namely Hook). And if the Rumbelle baby is a thing, then I wouldn’t be surprised if the emotional ickiness of the Zelena baby mess gets sort of “transferred” onto Rumbelle, so that Zelena can come out white and fluffy in comparison.
But more broadly, I think the Rumbelle thing is a barometer of the fact that A&E don’t always know where to draw the line. Like they didn’t with Regina and Graham, or with the Zelena/Robin/Regina thing. And like they don’t seem to with CS in this last season. I anticipate they are going to make another morally icky mess of Rumbelle, even more than they have now, because they still think it’s just “good drama.”
But major kudos to EdR for thinking about and trying to make sense of her character, and doing it in a way that’s actually quite interesting. Someone’s gotta do it, and it’s not going to be these writers.
What Keb said makes a lot of sense. 😎
But what’s fascinating, is that what Emilie said almost perfectly matches a song which I compared to Rumbelle a year ago! 🙂
Check out the lyrics, it’s very much like what she said! 😀
SFG
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