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Ok, so any answers are appreciated, as I am so confused by the holes in the plot!
Only read on if you’ve seen the whole season, or sorry for spoilers:
1) How does Regina first find out about the curse?!?! I thought Rumple told her she’d forget in Story Brooke. Was this addressed in the plot? If not, why the heck does the non-character narrator in the show’s opening ruin that major dramatic secret for us before we finally see that the queen ‘knows’ for the first time, when she crushes the Graem/huntsman’s heart?
2) Rumple’s ‘Please’ deal with Regina … why does this disappear from the plot after being used just a couple times? Is it magic?
3) Favor: Did Miss Swan ever give him the favor in the 1st season, and was it supposed to be chosen by him or approved by her?
4) Jefferson – where did he go when pushed out of the window?
5) Regina – why hasn’t she killed anyone in the real world besides for the huntsman?
6) How does the huntsman live in the real world with out a heart, and what exactly is living without a heart supposed to entail in the fairy tail world anyway?
7) magical stuff in the mine … still magical?
8) If Regina actually loved her father, when do we see this love? The sequencing was terrible when she sacrificed his heart, as she didn’t seem to give a crap about him. It would have made a lot more sense for her to pull out her own heart (what she loves the most) and thus having been heartless for good, don’t you think?
9) If Regina is as powerful as she is, how is she so limited in the fairy tale world … why can’t she immediately kill whoever she wants with that much power?
10) Why does Sydney stop appearing in her mirrors shortly after that episode?
11) Miss Swan – if her ‘super power’ is real, why does it suck so much? It would have been great if she actually knew when people were lying, and added so much to the plot. Why does she talk about it so much, because it’s pretty awful.
12) Why does the blue fairy lie … kind of ironic? And for that matter, why are her special effects so poor?
13) How does Pinnochio know so much in the real world about what happened in the fairy tale world?
14) What’s with the tree repelling Pinnochio and then not when he lifts the baby. And what of the tree after that fact … what would happen if someone were to access it?
15) What did August hope to achieve in showing Emma the tree …. could we even see the hole, and what did he expect her to witness?
16) How does Emma get over the Huntsman so easily and quickly, and never have any suspicions about the chamber? Do you think she will return there? How do we suppose the queen had access to that magic still?
17) I don’t recall – did Emma ever make out with August?
18) Are we supposed to know where Bael went?
19) I forgot – where do we see Frederick/Jim in the real world? Wiki says he’s a phys ed teacher and found Kathryn’s abandoned car … does he have any other scenes in Storybrooke?
20) Why are all characters so different from their fairy tale equivalents? Is this justified by story? All their traits seem so randomized.
21) Do any of these characters have memories of childhood in Story Brook? Is this addressed? Is it like Dark City that if they’re asked, they don’t remember?
22) Leaving Story Brook … just not possible, or actually causes negative consequences? Why can Emma selectively leave or she can’t … sometimes awful things happen or prevent her from leaving in the nick of time … can she leave any more? I can’t remember.
23) Apple being willingly eaten – why in fairy tale world does queen seem to have to give the terms of service of eating the apple, but in real world it just needs to be voluntarily eaten without knowing risks. If it was that easy, why doesnt evil queen in fairy tale world feed more apples to enemies more seriptitiously? Would Emma have considered eating the apple after seeming to perceive a threat?
24) Where is Sleeping Beauty?
25) If Malificent is Evil Queen’s friend, why don’t they hang out … and why is Regina so keen on torturing her & having Emma kill her?
26) Does Regina actually love Henry, or does she love the revenge having him represents?
27) If Regina saw the book from the get-go, why didn’t she hide / burn it?
28) Does Rumple ‘break a deal’ with Emma when he runs off at the end?
29) Why does Rumple waste ‘love’ as opposed to other magic to bring back what was lost, or is that the point – the metaphor … to throw away love?
30) Do we suppose that Jefferson poisoned Henry?
31) Why is there no public inquiry about Jefferson after the abduction by Emma?
32) Malificent as a dragon – why not play nice w’ Emma … she just attacks w’ out trying to figure out who Emma is?
33) Why not get Malificent to throw up?
34) Why do several characters have happy endings throughout the season in Story Brooke but others don’t? Is it because the curse is designed to make Snow unhappy, or because meddling of Regina and Gold?
35) Which Genie granted the 3rd wish if he was freed in the 2nd wish?
36) Where did 2nd Prince James learn to fight, if he was just a stable boy?
37) Is Jefferson’s freeing of Belle even significant if everyone regains their memories?
39) Upon memories returning, why is everyone so nice to Regina … why not capture her? Why give her a head start … wtf? lol (“If I were you I would hide”) … what is this hide and seek?
[adrotate group="5"]40) Oh, and why does charming seek out Snow White after the last interaction they had, she broke his heart? He seeks her out as if he knows she loves him. How would he know this at this point, and what would he expect when chasing her down?
1). The Queen told Rumpelstiltskin that he wouldn’t remember about the curse. The Queen was one of the few people to remember before Emma came.
2). I heard from the creators–sorry that I can’t give the source–that Mr. Gold can’t always use the ‘please’ on Regina. Apparently, it costs him, too. Not sure what, though.
3). Emma has yet to have paid her favour to Mr. Gold. Probably he’ll ask the request when he needs it.
4). He got pushed out the window in episode 15 titled, Hat Trick. In his house.
5). She did technically want Kathryn dead–Mr. Gold tricked her and made her think she died. And Regina hasn’t killed them because she probably wants them all to suffer.
6). That’s not the kind of heart she pulled out of the Huntsman. It was connected to his feeling–remember in the episode, Emma feels his heart on his chest.
7). Not sure.
8). Watch Hat trick. She goes through a lot to save him, and betrays Jefferson a long the way. You should also watch Stable Boy. It’s subtle, but it is there.
9). Magic comes with a price. The only people that really got in her way was Maleficent and the Blind Witch. She kills the latter. Maleficent is her friend, so she wouldn’t kill her. The Queen of Hearts may be too powerful for her. Rumpelstiltskin is certainly more powerful.
10). Perhaps she has no need of him at that moment. He does appear, but only when she needs him. You see him briefly in Hat Trick.
11). The only time where it really sucked was when Sydney lied to her–Emma, at that time, was still not ready to beleive in magic. The creators explained how she preferred to believe Sydney because his lies made more sense.
12). The special effects are all budgeted. The Blue Fairy doesn’t lie. She told Baelfire how to go to a land without magic. The only time she lied was to Snow White and Prince Charming. Watch The Stranger.
13). He doesn’t. He only knows his own story–those were the pages he added to the book. He knows about Rumpelstiltskin because the Blue Fairy told him, probably.
14). I didn’t repel Pinnochio. The force of the magic that transports Emma to the real world as an infant probably knocked him back.
15). To show her their history–they both came from that tree to our world.
16). I don’t think she is over him. In the next episode after his death, when Mr. Gold mentions him, Emma looks teary-eyed. But she also has Henry to think of.
17). Emma and August are not a couple.
18). We know Baelfire went to a land without magic.
19). Watch the episode, Whatever Happened To Frederick. When Kathryn storms into the school, she bumps into someone. That person is Frederick/Jim.
20). That is the curse. For example, Prince Charming is normally strong, confident, and much more smoother. In our world, he is conflicted and foolish. He makes bad choices. Snow White in Fairytale Land is strong, loving, and brave. In our world, she is meek.
21). They have false memories Storybrooke. Whatever they think they remember in Storybrooke is false.
22). Emma can leave because she wasn’t engulfed by the curse. Same for Pinnochio.
23). Technically, Emma willingly takes the apple. Regina offers it and Emma takes it. She probably doesn’t offer the apples anymore because it didn’t work on Snow White, who was saved by Prince Charming. But in the real world, no one knows about it.
24). She has yet to appear. She is mentioned in, The Thing You Love Most.
25). They seem to hangout. They both were drinking together and talking. Maleficent was against the curse, though. That could have put an end to their friendship at some point.
26). She loves him. The last episode, A Land Without Magic is proof.
27). Not sure about it. Maybe she knew Henry would get angry at her.
28). He knew what Emma needed to do, and he knew she would break the curse. He just manipulated her into helping him, first. You can count it that, technically, he did break the deal.
29). Not sure what you mean by that…sorry.
30). No–he didn’t poison Henry. He just freed Belle.
31). That episode showed that Emma was starting to believe. She saw tha book and saw Jefferson–she just didn’t want to believe.
32). She’s angry. She probably thought that Emma was working with Regina, who locked her up. Plus, Emma was working with Regina.
33). I don’t think that would work. That would have been cool–but Emma makes poor choices at times.
34). The curse was starting to break in Storybrooke. That was why they were getting their happy ending. It was sort of power struggle between getting the curse to stay and breaking the curse.
35). Not sure.
36). Not sure about that, either.
37). It is. Rumpelstiltskin is gonna want to kill Regina after what she has done. Jefferson wants revenge on Regina.
39). I think they were all shocked and dazed to know what happened to them. They might not have thought about that.
40). She did break his heart, but then he found out why she did, and he rescued her, just as she rescued him. They then married.7) Probably, because Regina had items that were still magical, as shown in the finale.
29) I don’t think that he “wasted” love. I think he needed very powerful magic in order to bring magic back to an entire town, possibly an entire world.
36) He wasn’t a stable boy; he was a shepherd. Shepherds had to know how to fight off wild animals and thieves to protect their sheep. (I’m not just making that up about shepherds to justify it; I’ve actually heard that before in a completely different context.)Elle, thanks for all the responses! You are great! Many were so helpful! 🙂
I have clarification / follow-up questions on a few, listed as Capital Letters below the corresponding question numbers:4) I am not sure if you are saying Jefferson ran back into his house after being kicked out the window.
A) If Jefferson got knocked out of a window, is he just very physically resillient (he had been beheaded after all)?
B) In the real world, should he not have either a) died/been immobilized or b) gone through the hat into an alternate world?6) Yes, the fact that Emma felt Graham’s heart confused me a lot. I don’t understand how there are different kinds of hearts.
A) Is there a back story or mythology this is referring to – perhaps the original Snow White & Huntsman story? I am not familiar with any fairy tale unfatal heart removal rules. Regina’s father’s heart was snatched and he immediately died. Regina’s fiancee’s heart was snatched and he seemed to immediately become unconsious if I recall, and was killed when the heart was ground into ashes. Finally, Graham’s was snatched and he seemed to retain life and the ability to make his own choices.
B) If these are 3 different scenarios, how are we as viewers to really understand?
C) Furthermore, how is this kind of magic supposed to have made it to a magicless land?
D) If it is just a heart of emotion, why did Graham die when it was ground up?
E) And if we were supposed to know that the Regina would remember that she was the evil queen, why: a) does the narrator of the intro tell us this (spoiler) and b) does the show never explicitly let us know that Regina knows she is the queen – until she finally kills Graham? This seems to be poorly executed. I, for one, perceived that it was ambiguous whether she knew she was the evil queen until she finally went into the secret chamber. It seemed that the show was strongly trying to convey that ambiguity.
F) Otherwise, why not show us any proof she knew she was the queen beforehand?
G) Did the narrator in the intro not spill the beans (did they not accidentally give us a spoiler)?8) Evil Queen saving her father was not much proof of love. Could have just as easily been about ‘winning’ against Red Queen. Either way, the writing was not strong when she plucked her father’s heart. Even though it was unexpected, I don’t think the viewers cared because we didn’t perceive the sacrifice. I still think it would have been very poetic and effective if she plucked her own heart, alla never ending story 2 – heartless can’t love or be good. She seemed to care more about her ring than her father, and more about all the curses. Her father came off as a servant so early in the series. I’m glad we saw the back-story when she was innocent and in love and seemed to care for her father, but it was strange to portray sacrifice before any of us knew it was sacrifice.
A) Why not throw away the sleeping curse she stole from Malificent, which she also seemed to care more about?
B) For that matter, it seemed that was alluding to the Sleeping Beauty mass-sleeping curse. If so, where did it go?
C) The apple was from the Ginger Bread House Witch, so was the stolen sleeping curse ever used?
D) Do we yet know what came of Cora?9) A) I guess I really meant – why didn’t Evil Queen kill Snow White with strong magic if she intended to when hiring huntsman?
B) Why hire the huntsmen if she could have used her mirror to instantly transport Snow or the Queen to snow?
C) Was Snow White’s heart delivered supposed to be a fatal delivery or control over Snow White like over Huntsman?
D) And didn’t she threaten to execute the prince after Snow’s sleep? If she wished to kill him, why trap him in the endless forest rather than a transport and kill?
E) Or can we answer everything with Magic Comes With a Price? It just seems that Regina never is deterred by that very real consequence, so while I agree the writing suggest that all her magic backfires, why would she try so hard to zigzag? She is after all a very intelligent cunning and shrewd villain.11) When you refer to the Creators explaining, are you referring to:
A) Inside knowledge off-the-record?
B) scripted moments discussed by characters in a specific episode?
C) Interviews with creators that explain some questions the viewers have.
If the latter, can you link us to these interviews?! 🙂12) By virtue of her 1 lie, the Blue Fairy lied, as I alluded to the one time. It’s a very significant lie. It just seems so ironic that the fairy fairytaled to tell Pinnochio to never lie, lies for him. It would have been nice if she was uncomfortable with the ‘lie’ itself or reworded the statement to be deceptive but not a lie.
13) How do we know August didn’t write the book? Does the script provide any clues of this, or are you aware of something off the record? I thought the show implied he was the author after we realize he added to the book. Did I miss a line when he showed he wasn’t the author?
15) I’m not sure I understand what August expected Emma to experience.
A) How can you show someone their history without anything to show them?
B) Was there something about the tree she was supposed to see if she wasn’t in denial? The scene wasn’t very effective, because August (who is adept at wrapping Emma around his finger when they first acquaint) seems to have absolutely no plan or persuasive ability at convincing Emma the tree is special. I am trying to understand what he expected her to do in ideal circumstances. He couldn’t expect her to remember the tree as she was a newborn.
C) Was he expecting her to see some magical anomoly?
D) Was he expecting to travel back? Seeing that he knew she didn’t yet believe, I fail to understand how he thought showing her an ordinary tree would persuade her to believe, unless there was something he thought she would see in the tree that would prove something.16) Emma mourns Graham for one scene and then he never comes up again in her thoughts. Seems too surgically removed and makes their romance seem unauthentic. I wish she ever had a flash-back of him, and ever reflected on any of the odd wolf stuff in her own flashbacks.
29) I meant that Rumple ends up using bottled up love to bring magic to story brooke.
A) Why does he use love specifically?
B) Is it merely because it is magic, or because of its strength?
It seems strange he would waste such powerful magic when there was so much other magic all over storybrooke (“Please”; Dragon; objects in mine; objects triggering false memories; Jefferson’s Hat, Regina’s plucked-out hearts, Regina’s Ring, Regina’s heart chambers, Regina’s trinkets) ,,, for someone knowing about everything in the town, why did he throw away ‘love’ into the well? I was saying it may have been a metaphor for throwing away his love for both Bael and Belle in trade for power.31) But I thought all illustrations in the book were’t obvious enough to begin with to strike a resemblance, or else she would have immediately found it a coincidence. I also thought she assumed Jefferson saw the book and modeled his outfits and ‘fake neck scar’ on the illustrations. Do we have reason to believe she actually started to believe?
34) I heard someone on some forum make a distinction between the curse ‘breaking’ and the curse ‘ending’.
A) Is this distinction addressed in the show, and if not, in classic fairy tales?
B) Does the distinction explain why they remained in Story Brooke?37) A) I meant, would Belle still be locked up if all the people who knew she was down there would remember who they were, or might we assume that only the Queen’s henchmen knew about Belle’s whereabouts and had Jefferson not freed her she may have remained hidden?
40) The part of the timeline of the prince fleeing his marriage to find Snow that I don’t remember is: A) when did he find out that she was trying to protect him after being threatened by his father? I seem to recall him seeking her out before having any new information. He seemed to be chasing down a girl he had every reason to believe didn’t love him – or did I forget a line?
B) If so, what was the line, and who said it?@LisaFromOH wrote:
7) Probably, because Regina had items that were still magical, as shown in the finale.
29) I don’t think that he “wasted” love. I think he needed very powerful magic in order to bring magic back to an entire town, possibly an entire world.
36) He wasn’t a stable boy; he was a shepherd. Shepherds had to know how to fight off wild animals and thieves to protect their sheep. (I’m not just making that up about shepherds to justify it; I’ve actually heard that before in a completely different context.)Lisa, Just saw your reply now, after already responding, so ignore the questions you answered. Great answers, thanks!
Thanks very much. I really love having conversations like this. Let me know if there is something that I missed. 😀
4). I don’t think he would return to his house. It wouldn’t be safe at all.
A). He survived the beheading in Wonderland because it happened in Wonderland. If it had been in Fairytale Land, he would’ve died.
B). I don’t think the hat worked–he would’ve used it if it did. Plus, he needs magic, and I don’t think Emma had enough to make the hat work.6). That is a good question and I have wondered about that for a while. I have a reasons that might explain the reasoning behind it all.
A). With Daniel, he already had his true love, so losing his heart might have been more painful to him that the Huntsman, who is also stronger than the former in many levels.
B). With Regina’s father, we never see what kind of heart is pulled out. I think it was the flesh and blood one.
C). I think the heart that Regina crushed didn’t just have the Huntsman’s emotions. I think it was a link to his life.
D). The Huntsman could still make choices–why else would the Evil Queen threaten him? He was still able to make choices, she just had his life in her hands.
E). I don’t think Regina could pull out hearts in the real world–we never see her do so. She can just crush the hearts she has already.
F). There was proof that showed she still remembered. In the first episode, near the end, when Regina and Mr. Gold are outside her tree, Mr. Gold uses his ‘please’ on her, and Regina looks truly worried.
G). I don’t think he spilled the beans. He just gave an intro, though I’m glad they got rid of him. 😀8). True–I agree to an extent. But I doubt she would save him if she didn’t love him. Why go through the risk? Even if she hated the Queen of Hearts. Plus, look at her expression when she sees him–she is truly happy. But in the end, she did care more about the ring, Daniel, the curse, and Henry. I wouldn’t say it was strange to show it out of order–at times it can be a bit confusing.
A). Why throw away the curse? She may have found it useless to her (she as good as told Maleficent that) but it still is something that she can keep. If you notice, these Queens/Witches compete for power and leverage over each other. She would have been a fool to have given the curse back.
B). Not sure what you are asking. If it is about the origins about the sleeping curse, that is for season 2. 😀
C). Snow White had not eaten the apple at that time. I think sometime after the Evil Queen had gotten the Sleeping Curse, the Blind Witch had stolen it. Again, for leverage or power.
D). Not yet. That is for season 2, according to the creators.9).
A). She might not have wanted to draw attention to herself. It could be that, at the time, her people didn’t know that she had dark magic, and she may have wanted to have kept that a secret.
B). Not sure about that one. Again, maybe she didn’t want too much attention drawn to her. Maybe she wanted her to suffer with both fear and pain.
C). I think the fatal way. Regina probbaly likes to have a bit of both.
D). At first she was going to kill Charming, but seeing him lost, trying to save Snow White, I think she thought that was even better. Never being able to find your true love, and slowly dying seems like a horrible way to die. And I don’t think she counted on Rumpelstiltskin helping.
E). I think she is powerful and cunning–just not as much as Cora and Rumpelstiltskin. Regina is fueled by her hatred, and that gets in the way. I think that is why she makes easy mistakes.11). I’m referring to an interview. Sorry for before–I didn’t know where the link was.
http://blogcritics.org/video/article/once-upon-a-times-jane-espenson/12). That is true. Her Lie had horrible consequences. But I do think that shehad been reluctant to lie. Gepetto (understandably in my opinion) gave her no choice.
13). Again, the creators gave an interview, where they revealed the the true writer of the book would appear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcBWfJomoy8&feature=relmfu
Here is the link. There are three parts. 😀15). I think August was hoping that Emma would have some sort of epiphany and remember and take action. The tree was certainly important to August, and I think he hoped it would be important to her, too. That it’s importance on him would be the same for her. It was really the only thing he had to show her, other than his leg, which sadly didn’t work.
The tree was what brought them to the world, after all. It is important. It’s just that it had no effect on Emma–she still, at that moment, didn’t want to take responsilbity. Can’t really blame her. I don’t think he thought the tree to be magical, nor do I think that he has Emma wrapped around her finger. The fact that she refused to believe proves so.16). Emma mourns him in two scenes, and that is it. But to her credit, she has Regina breathing down her neck, and she has her son to think of. Plus, Emma is not the kind that likes to cry to others. She wants to put up this tough act. It’s only in the last few episodes that she starts showing how truly fragile she is.
29). Throughout the series, Rumpelstiltskin mentioned several times that love was the most powerful magic in the world. The proof can go to Snow White and Prince Charming–they both go through so much, yet they both always find each other. Regina lost her one true love, and that fueled her hate, which in turn fueled her power. Emma’s kiss was the key to waking up Henry from his curse. I think it is both strength and magic.
The ‘please’ can only work for sometimes. With Maleficent, I doubt he would want to work with her–he only used her to keep the potion safe. Plus Maleficent wouldn’t have helped him willingly–she seemed angry (rightly so) about being trapped. The objects and trinkets are probably not powerful enough to create the spell that he needed from the potion–the ones Regina gave to Jefferson were barely enough. Regina’s hearts…maybe…we don’t really know much about their potential, other than that Regina can use them to control people. The Hat won’t work without magic–Jefferson said this before.
I think he wants to use magic to find Bae. That has been his plan from the start–it was the reason for the curse in the first place. And now that he has found Belle, he’ll probably use his mgic to protect her, and get revenge on Regina for locking Belle up and lying to him.31). There no proof that Jefferson read Henry’s book. And I think Emma assumed that he read the Alice in Wonderland that she read. The pictures looked very similar, and there is the fact that Emma asked Henry if she could borrow the book. I think she was starting to believe.
34). I think it is addressed at the end. Everyone remembers who they are–at least that we know of. Yet they are all in Storybrooke. I think for the curse to be broken, everyone has to return to Fairytale Land. But I think that will be known more in season 2–the ending is not very clear.
37). I don’t think Belle would still have been locked up if not for Jefferson. I think she would have been freed, though I can’t say the same for Sydney. I’m a bit curious as to how Jefferson knew about Belle.
40). The timeline can get confusing. If you watch, Whatever Happened to Frederick again, you see Charming and Red Riding Hood talking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxB1BM_c88
This is a link in case you don’t wanna watch the whole episode. It is very vague, but still stated.
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