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She told Ashley 18 in Price of Gold. Eddy, Adam, Jane Espenson, and JMO have all made a point of stating that Emma was 18 in Tallahassee. Although the age of consent does vary in the US by states (and can be anywhere from 15, 16, or even 17), she was 18 which is a legal adult. Unless people want to demonize consensual sex of two adults – I think it’s time to move to the next argument. Maybe I’d be creeped out if there was a significant age difference going on – like if Neal had been portrayed as a 30-something established man (and/or married like some theorized about Henry’s dad) but the two really felt on the same level of maturity for me – and maybe their rougher backgrounds factor into this.
Emma gave birth to Henry when she was 18, so she got pregnant before that. It’s a simple math.
Are you sure about Eddy, Adam, Jane Espenson saying that?@ihr wrote:
Emma gave birth to Henry when she was 18, so she got pregnant before that. It’s a simple math.
Are you sure about Eddy, Adam, Jane Espenson saying that?Well, pregnancies take 9-10 months. Therefore Emma could conceivably have met Neal just after turning 18, and given birth to Henry soon before turning 19.
Honestly, I don’t consider 17 to be statutory rape. It depends on the 17 year old and if the older party is trying to take advantage. Also the state I’m from, 17 is legal. 17 isn’t necessarily less mature than 18 and in some cases someone’s 17 is better than another person’s 21. The fact is regardless of the circumstances, could Emma and Neal have truly loved each other? From all we’ve seen I say yes. IMHO neither Emma nor Neal did anything that discounts this fact. Leaving, I could see myself leaving someone I truly love (especially if I’m convinced they are better off or it’s their destiny–Neal clearly believes in fate). The fact that Neal gave Emma his car and a large sum of money is not cowardly abandonment. He wanted her to do well. As a woman burned by love before, I can tell you that when I’ve still loved someone, I would have acted the same way Emma did in the bar. If she was over him, she’d be all “screw you, I don’t need this”. The fact is she showed weakness then. She demanded answers and demonstrated that having this information was important to her. She still cares. Does this mean they’ll get back together? I have no clue.
@LilaMae wrote:
@ihr wrote:
Emma gave birth to Henry when she was 18, so she got pregnant before that. It’s a simple math.
Are you sure about Eddy, Adam, Jane Espenson saying that?Well, pregnancies take 9-10 months. Therefore Emma could conceivably have met Neal just after turning 18, and given birth to Henry soon before turning 19.
That’s the scenario I’m thinking. Emma turns 18, fresh out of the foster system and is stealing cars for a month or two. Meets Neal (maybe together for a month or less) and is pregnant and delivers Henry in prison before turning 19. The crime was probably committed when she was 17 – hence why the records were sealed – so a young 18 for Emma at the start of Tallahassee certainly makes sense. Yep, definitely some simple math there! 😆
In the season 1 pilot episode, it was Emmas’ 28th birthday. On her birthday she pretty much moved to SB. A couple of months after moving to SB, it was almost christmas. This means that her birthday is near the end of the year, October maybe.
So she had Henry 10 years ago then, meaning she was 18 when she gave birth. I don’t think that Neal and Emma were together for very long – maybe a couple of months, the most. It couldn’t have been a whole year because they showed us the first ‘I love yous’, which generally (in tv shows) don’t take a year for. Also, Neal seemed really tired of the stealing, and he wanted to stop so I doubt he wouldve put up with it for a whole year.
Now Emma left her foster care when she was 16. Two years later (or almost 2 years), she becomes a thief. So she was 17, soon turning 18. Then she meets Neal. A couple of months later she gets pregnant at 18
– not 17…18. The directors of the show and JMO have actually stated this, I can’t find a link to the interview, but I did find it on the OUaT Emma Swan wiki page: http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Emma_Swan
I’ll keep looking for the interview though.Also, in case anyone is curious, Neal was born March 23, 1977. So I’m guessing he was about 24-25 when they met.
@PJSparkles wrote:
Honestly, I don’t consider 17 to be statutory rape. It depends on the 17 year old and if the older party is trying to take advantage. Also the state I’m from, 17 is legal. 17 isn’t necessarily less mature than 18 and in some cases someone’s 17 is better than another person’s 21. The fact is regardless of the circumstances, could Emma and Neal have truly loved each other? From all we’ve seen I say yes. IMHO neither Emma nor Neal did anything that discounts this fact. Leaving, I could see myself leaving someone I truly love (especially if I’m convinced they are better off or it’s their destiny–Neal clearly believes in fate). The fact that Neal gave Emma his car and a large sum of money is not cowardly abandonment. He wanted her to do well. As a woman burned by love before, I can tell you that when I’ve still loved someone, I would have acted the same way Emma did in the bar. If she was over him, she’d be all “screw you, I don’t need this”. The fact is she showed weakness then. She demanded answers and demonstrated that having this information was important to her. She still cares. Does this mean they’ll get back together? I have no clue.
I have to disagree with you there. People are different. Just because she wanted answers doesn’t mean that she still loves him. I too know what it’s like to ‘be burned by love’, and I can tell you, not everyone is the same.
In my opinion, she needed closure. She needed these answers not because she care or she loves him, but so she can finally close that hole in her chest and begin to put her walls down. Just because she showed weakness doesn’t mean that she still loves him. And now that she got these answers from him, the healing process can begin. I’m not saying that she can forgive him, but she can re-evaluate everything and begin to get close to someone again without being afraid of getting betrayed again.Also the original reason for statutory rape laws was to protect young women, in case they got pregnant and the father won’t help with supporting the child and mother. But due to changing society, the purpose is kinda different now. I personally think that it should be higher than 18 though – I don’t mean to offend anyone but a teenager rarely knows what they want when it comes to this area. They’re to caught up on their lust to know what they want. Which is part of the reason why I dont believe that Neal/Emma were in love.
@Jolly Roger wrote:
Also the original reason for statutory rape laws was to protect young women, in case they got pregnant and the father won’t help with supporting the child and mother. But due to changing society, the purpose is kinda different now. I personally think that it should be higher than 18 though – I don’t mean to offend anyone but a teenager rarely knows what they want when it comes to this area. They’re to caught up on their lust to know what they want. Which is part of the reason why I dont believe that Neal/Emma were in love.
Some people aren’t mature enough at 25 to handle kids but it seems unfair to deny people sexual rights based what is right for one person and not another, but that is for a different board and a different time.
I will agree you have a valid claim but what would you say about Cinderella?
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