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@PJSparkles wrote:
Some people aren’t mature enough at 25 to handle kids but it seems unfair to deny people sexual rights based what is right for one person and not another, but that is for a different board and a different time.
I will agree you have a valid claim but what would you say about Cinderella?In another time and place, marriage amongst adolescents would have been the norm. Cinderella being married to Prince Thomas and pregnant with their first child at 17 or 18 would have been accepted and welcomed in the EF. While the story of Cinderella is only a fairytale, it would have been similar in the real world a hundred years ago. Young people grew up faster, men settled down with women and started families at a younger age. Today, however, society has totally shifted. It is only in our modern day when young people of 18, the legal age of adulthood, are expected to remain immature. That is why in modern Western culture, teenage pregnancy, both inside and outside of marriage, is unacceptable. Even young adults as old as 29 can still be stuck in perpetual adolescence, because the culture at large almost expects them to be “living it up” and not taking responsibilities so seriously. That is why in cursed SB, Ashley was being pressured to give up her baby. Yet, she wanted to take on the responsibility of motherhood and marry her baby’s father, whom ironically, was really already her husband.
Today, young people still fall in love, but they don’t have the cultural norms or expectation to help guide them towards maturity. Birth control allows people to have sex without the consequence of conception. However, when life happens and a woman of 18 gets pregnant (if contraception fails, for example), that child is often a reality check to what responsibility is. In Neal’s case, he didn’t know about his son, otherwise there’s no way he’d have left to let Emma give up Henry for adoption. There’s no doubt in my mind Neal would have proposed to Emma, as was the custom in Baelfire’s upbringing in the EF to marry young and raise a family. Also, if August hadn’t stolen the money that Neal left for her, Emma would have been financially able to keep Henry. So, my own opinion is that Emma and Neal had real love, but that circumstances about Emma’s destiny, bad choices, and August’s interference kept them apart. Perhaps Emma would have still found SB if she’d kept Henry and settled down with Neal, but then perhaps not. So, for the purpose of the story, Neal let Emma go. Was that the mature decision? Maybe not, but then, maybe yes. It’s difficult to tell since it’s all fiction.
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
@PJSparkles wrote:
Some people aren’t mature enough at 25 to handle kids but it seems unfair to deny people sexual rights based what is right for one person and not another, but that is for a different board and a different time.
I will agree you have a valid claim but what would you say about Cinderella?In another time and place, marriage amongst adolescents would have been the norm. Cinderella being married to Prince Thomas and pregnant with their first child at 17 or 18 would have been accepted and welcomed in the EF. While the story of Cinderella is only a fairytale, it would have been similar in the real world a hundred years ago. Young people grew up faster, men settled down with women and started families at a younger age. Today, however, society has totally shifted. It is only in our modern day when young people of 18, the legal age of adulthood, are expected to remain immature. That is why in modern Western culture, teenage pregnancy, both inside and outside of marriage, is unacceptable. Even young adults as old as 29 can still be stuck in perpetual adolescence, because the culture at large almost expects them to be “living it up” and not taking responsibilities so seriously. That is why in cursed SB, Ashley was being pressured to give up her baby. Yet, she wanted to take on the responsibility of motherhood and marry her baby’s father, whom ironically, was really already her husband.
Today, young people still fall in love, but they don’t have the cultural norms or expectation to help guide them towards maturity. Birth control allows people to have sex without the consequence of conception. However, when life happens and a woman of 18 gets pregnant (if contraception fails, for example), that child is often a reality check to what responsibility is. In Neal’s case, he didn’t know about his son, otherwise there’s no way he’d have left to let Emma give up Henry for adoption. There’s no doubt in my mind Neal would have proposed to Emma, as was the custom in Baelfire’s upbringing in the EF to marry young and raise a family. Also, if August hadn’t stolen the money that Neal left for her, Emma would have been financially able to keep Henry. So, my own opinion is that Emma and Neal had real love, but that circumstances about Emma’s destiny, bad choices, and August’s interference kept them apart. Perhaps Emma would have still found SB if she’d kept Henry and settled down with Neal, but then perhaps not. So, for the purpose of the story, Neal let Emma go. Was that the mature decision? Maybe not, but then, maybe yes. It’s difficult to tell since it’s all fiction.
Well said. I just don’t know why everyone one is so down on Swanfire. I really wish there was a way to like posts.
@ihr wrote:
Henry is a product of statutory rape, and he was an accident and a painful remainder for Emma of Neil’s betrayal.
WOAH WOAH WOAH…. STRONG hateraid against Henry now…. I don’t know why you feel that ANY child could EVER be a mistake, but I think you have your facts incorrect.
Oregon law states age of consent is 18, and in all of the laws I read on this subject there is only rape in 1st 2nd and 3rd degree (3rd degree is 16 or younger and the other two are 14 and 12). I find it REALLY sad that you could say a child is a mistake for the societal fo-pas of his parent. Regardless of the age of his mother when she conceived, Henry is NOT a mistake, nor is any child whether born to a teen or an adult. You may not share THAT belief, but if you have paying attention to the show you will atleast agree that NOTHING in this show is a mistake.
As for saying he is a painful reminder of her betrayl- you must not have watched the season finale of season 1 when Emma woke Henry up with TRUE LOVES KISS. THAT would tell me that she loves her son and he is NOT a reminder of Neil’s betrayl. She gave him up to give him his best chance as said in the show MANY times- not because he reminded her of Neil. Why would she get rid of the kid and NOT the VW Bug OR the NECKLACE that he gave her if she was worried about reminders?
Sorry, but there are HOLES in your thinking.
I think we know why people really post those types of comments…they simple dislike Neal because they ship Emma with someone else and they want to give some kind of twisted argument to validate their choice.
Two thumbs up Slurpeez108 and Tammythebear…both excellent posts.
@Mich7 wrote:
I think we know why people really post those types of comments…they simple dislike Neal because they ship Emma with someone else and they want to give some kind of twisted argument to validate their choice.
Two thumbs up Slurpeez108 and Tammythebear…both excellent posts.
I agree…. it’s called trolling. 🙂 I am starting to believe that the hate comes from their own ship’s inequities LOL And thank you!
@tammythebear wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
I think we know why people really post those types of comments…they simple dislike Neal because they ship Emma with someone else and they want to give some kind of twisted argument to validate their choice.
Two thumbs up Slurpeez108 and Tammythebear…both excellent posts.
I agree…. it’s called trolling. 🙂 I am starting to believe that the hate comes from their own ship’s inequities LOL And thank you!
My thoughts from the beginning.
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
Can we give a shout-out to the posters that don’t ship swanfire but still posted about how the statutory rape argument doesn’t work and has been disproved? There were a couple of them.That was pretty classy, to not jump on a bandwagon because you want something else. And something that happens less often these days in the forums. 😀
@tammythebear wrote:
@ihr wrote:
Henry is a product of statutory rape, and he was an accident and a painful remainder for Emma of Neil’s betrayal.
WOAH WOAH WOAH…. STRONG hateraid against Henry now…. I don’t know why you feel that ANY child could EVER be a mistake, but I think you have your facts incorrect.
Oregon law states age of consent is 18, and in all of the laws I read on this subject there is only rape in 1st 2nd and 3rd degree (3rd degree is 16 or younger and the other two are 14 and 12). I find it REALLY sad that you could say a child is a mistake for the societal fo-pas of his parent. Regardless of the age of his mother when she conceived, Henry is NOT a mistake, nor is any child whether born to a teen or an adult. You may not share THAT belief, but if you have paying attention to the show you will atleast agree that NOTHING in this show is a mistake.
As for saying he is a painful reminder of her betrayl- you must not have watched the season finale of season 1 when Emma woke Henry up with TRUE LOVES KISS. THAT would tell me that she loves her son and he is NOT a reminder of Neil’s betrayl. She gave him up to give him his best chance as said in the show MANY times- not because he reminded her of Neil. Why would she get rid of the kid and NOT the VW Bug OR the NECKLACE that he gave her if she was worried about reminders?
Sorry, but there are HOLES in your thinking.
ihr didn’t say that Henry was a mistake. He/She said that Henry was an accident. Accident is sometimes used to mean unplanned. Henry was unplanned which I agree with. You could also say that Henry was a surprise for Emma. With the life Emma and Neal were living, such as running into vacated motel rooms to shower, and then Emma going to prison, having a child wouldn’t have been the top of Emma’s to do list.
I agree that Emma gave up Henry because she wanted to give him his best chance, not because he reminded her of Neal. If she was literally living in the back of her car after her release from prison, she may have realised that that wasn’t the best environment to raise a child especially if she didn’t know where the next meal would be coming from.
I don’t ship Swanfire and I don’t ship Captain Swan, If I had my way Emma would end up with neither of them but would be on civil terms with Neal for Henry’s sake.
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