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I think both Emma and Regina are Henry’s mothers. I do wonder if when Regina gave Emma the false memories of raising Henry, some of those memories were actually Regina’s such as Henry’s first word, taking his first step etc. What if Regina did like the troll did in Frozen where she changed the scenery of the memory but the memory remains. So Emma actually had Regina’s memory of raising Henry except the scenery was changed to Boston and Regina’s part was changed to Emma?
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Keeper of FelixHenry is presented as innocent, but actually he can be quite the deceitful, manipulative little jerk when he puts his mind to it.
While I have often been annoyed with Henry, I think it’s worth remembering that he’s 11/12 and living in a world full of evil queen and princesses and princes and wizards. His experiences aren’t like the ones we had growing up (unless you grew up in a cursed town…) and his reactions do seem out-of-the-ordinary, but so is the life he’s living. I think calling him a manipulative jerk is a bit harsh because he’s a child and children live in the world of black and white. It is either good or it is not. And for a boy who has been reading fairy tales in which evil is EVIL and good is GOOD and EVIL must surely loose, it’s easy for him to get wrapped up in it. How does EVIL loose in fairy tales? Not with time and patience and second chances, but with heroes and swords and quests to become a true knight or somesuch. That’s Henry’s mentality. He believes in the fight for good, but it’s a romanticized version of that fight. He is learning to see the gray but he’s still very young.
And let’s not forget, Regina was rather in flux in S2 herself. She wanted to be good, but she utterly caved to Cora after only two conversations and then she tried to kill the rest of Henry’s family AND THEN when that failed, she wanted to magic Henry into loving her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree Regina was all over the shop in season 2, but I just wish when Henry made a decision, he stuck to it at least for a little bit instead of flip flopping all the time, sometimes in the same episode.
Season 3 Henry was so much more preferable to season 2 Henry.
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Keeper of FelixI agree Regina was all over the shop in season 2, but I just wish when Henry made a decision, he stuck to it at least for a little bit instead of flip flopping all the time, sometimes in the same episode. Season 3 Henry was so much more preferable to season 2 Henry.
I agree with the last bit, but I’m not sure if it’s because of a writing choice or if it’s because the writers really benched Henry in S3. He’s supposed to have the heart of the truest believer, but he rarely got to do anything. And in S3B he really sat our for most of it.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So Henry was really happy right up to the moment when he first got that book from Mary Margret, and that’s when things got miserable for him. But Henry and Regina were happy before that book came into the picture.
That’s not remotely true. Go re-watch Going Home. Henry is miserable staring at his homework, lamenting to MM that his mother doesn’t love him and that he doesn’t have a family. THEN MM gives him the book. And the book gives him hope, because that’s what Fairy Tales are supposed to be.
If my memory serves me correctly, that is after Regina told him that he was adopted. Even though it wasn’t shown, I believe Regina commented back in S1 about when she told Henry of his adoption, and afterward he had slowly started to push her away, however she was unaware that it was the book that had furthered Henry’s distance. But the fact that Rumple himself, whose never complimented Regina on anything good, is able to say that she did a great job raising Henry…I believe it shows that she did do an excellent job with him.
And as for being a mother…Emma’s been in his life for two years. I think when she learns everything about him, like his allergies, his likes, dislikes, is when I’ll call her his mother.
is that what makes a mother? And what if he doesn’t have allergies? And he know what Henry likes and doesn’t like. She’s proved that in the year that they lived together in NYC. I mean…she fought a dragon for him.
The thing with motherhood is…it’s not an instant golden ticket. And I believe that’s what Adam and Eddy were trying to give Emma, which is why they received a lot of backlash from adoption/step families who felt they were diminishing Regina’s role in Henry’s life. Because despite how we saw Henry in S1, it’s heavily implied throughout the series that before that book, or Regina informing Henry about his background, that he and Regina were very happy together! It’s even showed in the picture of Regina and Henry, which Cora was looking at.
A & E tried to make Emma an instant best mom because she was the savior, and Snowing’s daughter, and that’s not how it works. And before anyone brings up the whole Regina tried to make Henry think he was crazy, what was she supposed to do….”Hey son, I’m the Evil Queen who cursed this entire land, and trapped your grandparents to be miserable forever! I hope you enjoy the stay!” That was not an option, and true, I don’t think Regina thought about the long end term of raising a child. Telling Henry the truth would not have been an option, because A, it would make it to Storybrooke as if she was encouraging his fantasy, which would make them question her parenting. So she took the right precautions as putting him in therapy, and she had hoped that questions of SB would be diminished.
And as for the poison turnover…even though Emma was ready to leave SB, she still wanted to see Henry, which would have still brought her back to SB, and still could pose as a threat to breaking the curse….all of which would lead to the same events we saw, so Regina giving the apple turnover to Emma was inevitable. Emma fighting a dragon…okay, that’s all good and well. But to me…seeing Regina choosing to save her son, knowing the chances that it could break her curse, lose Henry to the Charmings, and Storybrooke killing her…that trumps that for me. In a way, Regina was ready to sacrifice it all to save her son.
I just want Adam and Eddy to note this…it’s not really fair for Emma to suddenly be the “hero” mom, and she’s known her son for two years. Like…reality wise, that’s not how it works. Regina raised him for ten years, and even went down the list of everything that she did for Henry, and Henry treated her like crap in S1. In S2, Henry straight up manipulated Regina’s love for him, in order to get her to do anything he wanted her to do. Okay…maybe the manipulation part comes from his Mills lineage, but it doesn’t make it right. S3…thank god for S3! It showed how much Henry loved Regina, and valued her as his mother!
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And let’s not forget, Regina was rather in flux in S2 herself. She wanted to be good, but she utterly caved to Cora after only two conversations and then she tried to kill the rest of Henry’s family AND THEN when that failed, she wanted to magic Henry into loving her.Now wait a minute now…whose fault is it that Regina accepted Cora’s offer? The Charmings! Had they been a little nicer to her, and a bit more understanding and appreciative of her saving their lives, and not taken the memories of a dog as proof to accuse an innocent woman, then none of that wouldn’t have even happened! It was just the matter, they realized they screwed up, but by then it was too late!Wait a second, then before Regina even completely sided with Cora, she visited the Charmings to warn them, but what they do is tell her that Emma took Henry on a trip, and that Emma doesn’t need to run things by Regina anymore! That was the final straw!"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I believe Regina commented back in S1 about when she told Henry of his adoption, and afterward he had slowly started to push her away,
Find me text. Cause I don’t remember that at all. We have no idea when she told him. Or the effects of it. But what we do know, from Henry and MM in 3×11, and MM’s recollection in 3×19, Henry was miserable for about a year before MM gave him the book.
But the fact that Rumple himself, whose never complimented Regina on anything good, is able to say that she did a great job raising Henry…I believe it shows that she did do an excellent job with him.
And I didn’t say she didn’t. But he grew up and began to notice the things around him weren’t changing, and how Regina might love him but there was a lot of emotional distance and coldness. She also sent him to a shrink and tried to instill in him that he was insane. She was so desperate not to loose him, that she became her own worst enemy. Regina said it herself in 202, “i don’t know how to love very well”
And before anyone brings up the whole Regina tried to make Henry think he was crazy, what was she supposed to do….”Hey son, I’m the Evil Queen who cursed this entire land, and trapped your grandparents to be miserable forever! I hope you enjoy the stay!
Well she could have not told him he was crazy. She could have talked to him instead of forcing him on to someone else.
Emma fighting a dragon…okay, that’s all good and well. But to me…seeing Regina choosing to save her son, knowing the chances that it could break her curse, lose Henry to the Charmings, and Storybrooke killing her…that trumps that for me. In a way, Regina was ready to sacrifice it all to save her son.
Why is one act of motherly love greater than the next? Emma could have died fighting that dragon (and she almost did). Regina’s curse could have been broken by working with Emma (and it was). What is your rubric for motherly affection? Or is just because it’s Regina?
They are both his mother. They both love him. HENRY gets to decide when and if he calls either one of them mother.
I just want Adam and Eddy to note this…it’s not really fair for Emma to suddenly be the “hero” mom, and she’s known her son for two years.
Are you a hero to your newborn whom you’ve only known a few hours? Would you willingly die for the child you just birthed? Would you throw yourself in front of a bullet for any of you kids, no matter how old they are or how long you’ve known them?
Then you’re mother. And you’re to be commended and loved. The idea that the longer you know your children, the more “rights” of affection you have is rather bizarre. 30 years from now you’re going to love your children just as passionately and fiery as you do right now.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Emma is Henry’s mom as well, equally as much as Regina now since both Emma and Henry have the false memories of spending their whole life together.
I wonder if the false memories Regina gave Emma consisted of Regina’s memories of raising Henry, his first word, the feelings that go with raising a child etc.
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Keeper of FelixEmma is Henry’s mom as well, equally as much as Regina now since both Emma and Henry have the false memories of spending their whole life together. I wonder if the false memories Regina gave Emma consisted of Regina’s memories of raising Henry, his first word, the feelings that go with raising a child etc.
I think so. Regina needed to make it 100% real for Henry and Emma.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I said if my memory serves me correctly that Regina told Henry. Though I’m quite positive she mentioned something about explaining to Henry about his adoption, and that is what she thought the source of his hatred for her stemmed from, instead of the book MM gave him.
Ok…in simpler terms….yes Emma is Henry’s mother. Yes Regina is Henry’s mother. But…I do feel that Emma should not be treated as if she’s always been there, that ten year missed connection should be worked for between her and Henry, not instantaneously. And I feel that Adam and Eddy took the cheap route by Regina giving Emma’s those ten year memories, and instant connection rather than just leaving SB with their memories of their time there. It was very plottish I guess, but it did work out giving the plot for 3B.
But then I guess I just hated how they wrote Emma in parts of Season 2, and season 3. Emma acted as if she had an actual right to Henry, and completely disregarded the mother who has full custody of him. Like just taking Henry for a trip to New York to find Rumple’s son without consulting with the legal guardian, would have been considered kidnapping. And then Emma, as smart and intelligent as this woman is took the memories of a dog instead of checking the memories of Regina….like wow. That Charming stupidity must’ve rubbed off on her a little. Then she claimed to know how Regina felt when Henry was about to die in NL….now true Emma was Henry’s bio mom, but it’s wrong to assume you know the pain of the woman who actually raised Henry, and has eleven years worth of memories and experience to go on. Then she gets back to SB, doesn’t want Henry to remember anything from his past, the boy couldn’t even meet his father at the hospital, which I’m still waiting on repercussions from. Then she assumes she can just take Henry back to NYC when her job is done, when she still doesn’t have legal USA custody of the boy. Let’s face it…Adam and Eddy give Emma the free pass when it comes to Henry.
I just feel Adam and Eddy helped cheat Emma to the top of the line, and pushed Regina back to give Emma room to shine. Thank God that Lana Parrilla fought for Regina and Henry’s relationship, because I dread what Adam and Eddy would have done to it if she hadn’t.
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