Henry's Adoption

[RumplesGirl]

The fact that the Darling brothers tried to “adopt” Henry makes me wonder if they were after Henry’s heart before he even came of age. I’d been working under the assumption that Peter Pan was behind the Dark Curse because he wanted Henry to be the only boy who grew up in a town where no one ages, which led him to believing in the curse and in Emma as the savior, thereby making him into the truest believer. But now it seems like Peter Pan wanted baby Henry, which suggests that being born of light and dark magic is what makes Henry the truest believer, not his environment, as I’d assumed. So, Henry was born with the heart of the truest believer, which in turn, allowed him to so easily believe the dark curse was real and that Emma was destined to save everybody.

Excellent point. If the DB/Pan went after Henry as a 3 week old baby then it means Regina’s influence had nothing to do with him having the heart of the truest believer (which seems to contradict some things Jane said after 303). Instead it’s all genetics.

[Phee]

Yeah, I’ve been wondering about that stuff as well. I’d had Pan pegged as an orchestrator of Curse related stuff as a means to get Emma to our world, and also to provide an environment for Henry to be raised in where he’d grow up to be the person Pan needed him to be. But that doesn’t seem to be the case, at least not entirely, because it seems he had no use for SB, he just needed the baby making to happen and then wanted to get the baby ASAP after he was born. But then why was the boy in the pic older than a newborn? It’s not like Pan could check for a match if the DB had succeeded in getting the baby. And if Henry had to give his heart willingly, which is what we saw happen, a baby can’t do that.

I need to stop thinking about this ep, because the more I think about it, the more potential plot holes I end up with. 😛

[Slurpeez]

Perhaps Peter Pan somehow got wind that Baelfire would be the father of Henry before it ever even happened. Peter Pan said to Henry that it’s not a coincidence that he is born of light magic (Emma) and the spawn of the Dark One, so we know with almost certainty that Peter Pan was behind Emma and Neal meeting. Yet, what’s less certain is what Peter Pan planned to do with baby Henry once he got him. He couldn’t just sacrifice baby Henry since it seems like Henry had to be old enough to believe in Peter Pan to willingly give his own heart to PP. Yet, if Peter Pan intended for Henry to grow up old enough, he still would’ve needed for baby Henry to be raised in our world since Henry would’ve remained a baby in NL. I’m guessing that is where the Darlings brothers would’ve come into play since they probably would’ve raised Henry in Boston but taught him all about the truth of Neverland actually existing, making sure that Henry would still believe in PP. Yet, that seems to raise the issue of exactly who, if anyone besides Rumple, was behind the Dark Curse. Could it possibly have been the Blue Fairy after all? Someone else?

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Yeah, I’ve been wondering about that stuff as well. I’d had Pan pegged as an orchestrator of Curse related stuff as a means to get Emma to our world, and also to provide an environment for Henry to be raised in where he’d grow up to be the person Pan needed him to be. But that doesn’t seem to be the case, at least not entirely, because it seems he had no use for SB, he just needed the baby making to happen and then wanted to get the baby ASAP after he was born. But then why was the boy in the pic older than a newborn? It’s not like Pan could check for a match if the DB had succeeded in getting the baby. And if Henry had to give his heart willingly, which is what we saw happen, a baby can’t do that. I need to stop thinking about this ep, because the more I think about it, the more potential plot holes I end up with.

Gah those are all great questions.

The DB’s even said “Pan won’t be happy (about not getting baby Henry)” so what on earth was Pan going to do with Baby Henry? It’s not like Henry was going to grow up in NL. And yes the picture on the scroll clearly shows Henry as 10-12 years old and baby Henry was cute and all but there’s no way to know that he’s the ONE when he’s that young unless PP “knew” that the baby had to come from Emma and Neal and was just simply waiting for her to give birth and then spring on him. But how can Henry give his heart as a baby.

*head desk*

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

I’m guessing that is where the Darlings brothers would’ve come into play since they probably would’ve raised Henry in Boston but taught him all about the truth of Neverland actually existing, making sure that Henry would still believe in PP. Yet, that seems to raise the issue of exactly who, if anyone besides Rumple, was behind the Dark Curse. Could it possibly have been the Blue Fairy after all? Someone else?

Yeah if PP needed this heart from the get go (and I’m hoping 311 is another PP flashback that explains how he knew about Henry because we still don’t know) then he had to orchestrate, or get someone to orchestrate, all the stuff that leads UP TO Henry.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

Yeah if PP needed this heart from the get go (and I’m hoping 311 is another PP flashback that explains how he knew about Henry because we still don’t know) then he had to orchestrate, or get someone to orchestrate, all the stuff that leads UP TO Henry.

I recall that Adam and Eddy confirmed in Lightning Round 8 that we’d find out who drew the picture of Henry centuries before he was ever born. I’m betting we’ll find out pretty soon (in the next two episodes) who exactly tipped off PP about Henry, since I’m wondering now if PP/Malcolm even has the gift of foresight. I’m thinking whoever drew the picture of Henry is the same person who foresaw the dark cruse happening. *cough Blue Fairy cough*

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[once_dude]

The reason why I do and do not have a problem with Baby Henry as the Heart of Truest Believer:

 

I do have a problem because babies cannot believe. You have to be able to communicate and think logically in order to do that. (+ the whole thing about the picture of Henry)

Reason why I surprirsingly don’t have a problemw ith it: we have proof of Henry’s magic genetics from episode 1 of this season. Henry is born, cue power outage.

So those are my thoughts. Discuss.

Magic always comes with a price, so I pay with visa.

[RumplesGirl]

Reason why I surprirsingly don’t have a problemw ith it: we have proof of Henry’s magic genetics from episode 1 of this season. Henry is born, cue power outage

Ah, but was that Henry or Emma? Because as you say, babies cannot believe so if power outage  = Henry then he had to be born with the heart and it is not at all influenced by his environment. But he still had to give his heart willingly and then there’s the picture on the scroll as a boy not baby and…so on and so forth.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Yet, if Peter Pan intended for Henry to grow up old enough, he still would’ve needed for baby Henry to be raised in our world since Henry would’ve remained a baby in NL. I’m guessing that is where the Darlings brothers would’ve come into play since they probably would’ve raised Henry in Boston but taught him all about the truth of Neverland actually existing, making sure that Henry would still believe in PP.

That would make more sense, if the DB were tasked with raising him in our world, instead of Pan just wanting the baby in NL immediately.

Yet, that seems to raise the issue of exactly who, if anyone besides Rumple, was behind the Dark Curse. Could it possibly have been the Blue Fairy after all? Someone else?

Pan needed the Curse to happen so that Emma would get sent to our world alone, meet Neal, and make Henry.

Rumple needed the Curse to happen so that he could get to the world that Neal was in.

So who needed the Curse cast in order for SB to be created, because it seems like Pan didn’t need it as a place to raise Henry, and Rumple didn’t exactly gain anything from having been trapped in the town for 28 years.

Was the SB factor purely for Regina’s sake? So she’d have some motivation to cast that particular Curse in the first place? But why THAT Curse, that destroyed a whole land? Surely there could have been some other way for Regina to get the better of Snow, for Rumple to find his way to our world on his own, and the same for Emma. Surely any number of curses or whatever would have worked. But no, all three of them, Pan, Rumple, and Regina, ended up using this particular, world destroying Curse as a means to each of their ends. There’s gotta be a reason that EVERYONE in FTL had to be displaced. And the only person I could imagine having enough knowledge to be aware that such a thing was necessary and/or possible, is Sneaky Fairy.

[RumplesGirl]

Was the SB factor purely for Regina’s sake? So she’d have some motivation to cast that particular Curse in the first place? But why THAT Curse, that destroyed a whole land? Surely there could have been some other way for Regina to get the better of Snow, for Rumple to find his way to our world on his own, and the same for Emma. Surely any number of curses or whatever would have worked. But no, all three of them, Pan, Rumple, and Regina, ended up using this particular, world destroying Curse as a means to each of their ends. There’s gotta be a reason that EVERYONE in FTL had to be displaced. And the only person I could imagine having enough knowledge to be aware that such a thing was necessary and/or possible, is Sneaky Fairy.

This! Well said. Blue led Rumple to the Curse. Blue suggested the wardrobe tree. Now just give me a scene of Blue telling Peter about Henry’s heart.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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