Henry's Adoption

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once_dude wrote:

Reason why I surprirsingly don’t have a problemw ith it: we have proof of Henry’s magic genetics from episode 1 of this season. Henry is born, cue power outage

Ah, but was that Henry or Emma?

I’m inclined to say it was Emma, and I’m basing that assumption on how back in the Pilot, the power line sparked the first time she set foot in SB.

[RumplesGirl]

Went back through out 303 thread and found this tweet from Jane

@SophLW darkness, like other environmental influences, can alter the genes.

— Jane Espenson (@JaneEspenson) October 14, 2013

And anytime someone brings up Henry being the product of light and dark, A and E always maintain that it means Regina’s influence as well. So if PP’s henchman were planning on taking Henry out of his environemnt…

UGH. I am confused and frustrated and can’t finish thoughts.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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Having rewatched the episode, I’m actually okay with the adoption thing now. Gold handed Regina an A4 size brown envelope which could easily contain falsified reports and references etc. That could explain why the adoption agent didn’t question too much, if everything looked legit and official as he expected it to, why would he question it.

I also think there may be more to the story by the way Robert Carlyle delivered his line in that scene. He said, “I uh, spoke, to an adoption agency…” He said it with a pause and a strong emphasis on the word “spoke” as if there was a lot more to it than he was saying. Not at all the way one would make a casual remark like, “I spoke to an adoption agency…”

I do think we’ll see that there’s more to be shown here since there are so many things still unexplained, primarily Pan’s picture of Henry.

[kfchimera]

Just to back up a second to something from a few pages ago, but Gold says “procure” because that is the right word, knowing that in hindsight,  he isn’t really Gold and she isn’t really Regina Mills,  so anything he filed for her was essentially  just a fraud perpetuated by magic.  There’s no point going into legal technicalities since before we even get to custody, we’d run aground on the question of these people all being illegal immigrants other than Henry of course.
Anyway, the point is, Regina fooled the agency into thinking she was something she was not in order to obtain a child without the risk and danger of going out and stealing one outright again.   She had no idea about Pan, and even if she did, this would be like saying it is ok to kidnap a child because someone else will try to kidnap and then kill them.As to what Pan wanted, I think it hints that Henry had a special heart at birth, even though babies cannot believe, it really only takes a few years to raise one up to that stage and that’s where the DB’s would come in.

 

Jane has also said she learns new things in the writer’s room, and there has been a time or two where  she says something and Adam says she’s mistaken.  They don’t have the whole story mapped out, we have to remember.  They have outlines, and some details are not fixed in all their minds.So both can be true, that Henry is genetically a product of dark blood magic and also his environment with Regina influenced him some way, making Pan’s plan’s much more difficult to achieve, forcing him to improvise heavily.

 

He is not the only one!   This goes back to “we write for the fans” and “we have a story planned” speaking out of both sides of their mouth by A&E.   It is both, and aside from Season 1, with shows like this, it is always both.  They want to stay on the air.  They want fans to like the show.  They know what some want would make others stop watching.  They want some controversy to stir emotions, get fans engaged.  Yet they want a somewhat cohesive story so that more casual fans are not constantly saying “this makes no sense”.

 
So they’re navigating a tricky line.  On the one hand, Regina does save Henry from a worse fate, but she does it more for her own reasons about herself, and only recently has she come to realize she needs to love him the way he needs to be loved, not the way she wants to love.  They can say “Regina Mills” adopted him legally, please the Evil Regals, but as with Graham, it is quibbling and avoiding the fact Regina the Queen is not really who she pretended to be and knew it.

 

As for the DB–I also think they set Emma up for jail and tried to snag Baby Henry then, because they had advance knowledge about his birth by prophecy.  Seems odd they failed to get the baby in AZ, but then, we have yet to learn if perhaps there was some counter-influences out there besides Pan, someone who wrote the book, guided August.
Maybe Sneaky Fairy, maybe another but I am still hoping there is more to come.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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PriceofMagic wrote: Having rewatched the episode, I’m actually okay with the adoption thing now. Gold handed Regina an A4 size brown envelope which could easily contain falsified reports and references etc. That could explain why the adoption agent didn’t question too much, if everything looked legit and official as he expected it to, why would he question it.

I also think there may be more to the story by the way Robert Carlyle delivered his line in that scene. He said, “I uh, spoke, to an adoption agency…” He said it with a pause and a strong emphasis on the word “spoke” as if there was a lot more to it than he was saying. Not at all the way one would make a casual remark like, “I spoke to an adoption agency…” I do think we’ll see that there’s more to be shown here since there are so many things still unexplained, primarily Pan’s picture of Henry.

And again I have an issue with Gold in this situation. GOLD…his cursed self..thinks he has contacts out in the real world who can help him get around tricky legal issues but REGINA knows that those are just false memories. She should know that he can’t actually speak to anyone or that he doesn’t actually have friends on the outside who can take care of her problems. Her going to him makes very little sense as Mr. Gold, attorney at law, doesn’t exist! (I know…suspend RG…suspend..)

Anyway, the point is, Regina fooled the agency into thinking she was something she was not in order to obtain a child without the risk and danger of going out and stealing one outright again. She had no idea about Pan, and even if she did, this would be like saying it is ok to kidnap a child because someone else will try to kidnap and then kill them.As to what Pan wanted, I think it hints that Henry had a special heart at birth, even though babies cannot believe, it really only takes a few years to raise one up to that stage and that’s where the DB’s would come in.

Yes they fooled the agency, but I think the point is they shouldn’t have been able to because shouldn’t have been able to use any of his legal clout as he doesn’t have any.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[once_dude]

Ah but Blue did not tell Rumple about the curse.

The seer did.

If you look very carefully at season 1 episode e19 in that conversation it goes something like this

“a realm jumper, a time turner, a curse?” “only ou would think of a curse instead of a blessing. you don’t yet have the knowledge to cast the curse.” or something like that. therefore it is proven that rumple had already had the curse knowledge from seer. figure that one out.

not that i am defending the blue fairy either:

1. she wrecked dreamy and nova to keep the tyranical order  of fairies and dwarves in place.

2. she practically tasked pinnocchio with taking care of the saviour (sure gipetto was part of it but i cant  believe that that was all his fault)

and mos timportantly 3. tinkerbell. no one messes with tink. she was trying to be a good fairy and save the queen form a further path of destruction.

(this topic sure went off fast starting with henry’s adoption then heart of truest believer, then blaming bleu for everything)

i have one piece of evidence in blue’s favour; i saw a Dragon Con interview with Tracey (i think thats the actresses’ name) and she said “The writers have not given me my story yet.” this proves that the writers obviously dont have her planned as the big bad because even Frankenstein (Anders) knew who he was form the first moment on set.

The point of this long rambling post is I am still on the fence about our not so pure reul ghorm.

Magic always comes with a price, so I pay with visa.

[RumplesGirl]

Ah but Blue did not tell Rumple about the curse. The seer did. If you look very carefully at season 1 episode e19 in that conversation it goes something like this “a realm jumper, a time turner, a curse?” “only ou would think of a curse instead of a blessing. you don’t yet have the knowledge to cast the curse.” or something like that. therefore it is proven that rumple had already had the curse knowledge from seer. figure that one out.

Rumpelstiltskin: Oh, I’ll find a way. There must be other paths. A realm jumper?

Blue Fairy: No.

Rumpelstiltskin: A time turner?

Blue Fairy: No.

Rumpelstiltskin: A mage?

Blue Fairy: There is no-

Rumpelstiltskin: A curse?

Blue Fairy: No.

Rumpelstiltskin: Ah! So, it is a curse.

Blue Fairy: Of course you would think of a curse instead of a blessing. Your magic is limited by its own rotten core, Rumpelstiltskin. Anyway, it can’t be done. Not without a great price.

Rumpelstiltskin: I’ve already paid a great price.

Blue Fairy: So, you’d be willing to sacrifice this world for the next? Because that’s how great the price is.

Once Rumple guesses a curse Blue flat out says “it can’t be done NOT without a great price.” In other words, YES there is a curse but you can’t do it cause you aren’t strong enough yet. But first she lets him get to it.

In Manhattan Rumple already knows about the Curse having already lost Baelfire

Seer: It will not be an easy path. It will take many years… And require a curse. A curse…powerful enough to rip everyone from this land.

Rumpelstiltskin: Yes, yes, there’s more, I know it. Tell me.

See. He already knows about the curse.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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Ah but Blue did not tell Rumple about the curse.

The seer did.

I have a crack theory that the Seer was a shape shifting Blue. Blue is the one who planted the idea of a Curse in Rumple’s head. The Seer confirmed it and gave him a hefty shove in the direction of getting it done. The Seer has bright blue eyes, I swear I hear some of Keegan’s voice layered in there, and whenever she’s asked what other character she’d like to play, she always answers, “I love the smaller parts, like the Seer,” and it makes me wonder if her constant mention of that isn’t a hint that she actually was involved with the portrayal of that character.

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Yes they fooled the agency, but I think the point is they shouldn’t have been able to because shouldn’t have been able to use any of his legal clout as he doesn’t have any.

I think he does. Just as the curse gave Dr. Whale a knowledge of modern medicine, and Granny knowledge of how to make a hamburger, I think it gave Gold all the knowledge he needs for sneaky deals. He might or might not know of specific individuals to contact in the outside world (who would change with time) but he would have some way of finding people who could satisfy his needs.

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote: Yes they fooled the agency, but I think the point is they shouldn’t have been able to because shouldn’t have been able to use any of his legal clout as he doesn’t have any.

I think he does. Just as the curse gave Dr. Whale a knowledge of modern medicine, and Granny knowledge of how to make a hamburger, I think it gave Gold all the knowledge he needs for sneaky deals. He might or might not know of specific individuals to contact in the outside world (who would change with time) but he would have some way of finding people who could satisfy his needs.

But if he has legal clout with individuals outside of SB that means the Curse affected others not of the EF. So what I’m saying is, Gold for sure thinks he has all the knowledge he needs to find people who can satisfy his needs but those people wouldn’t know him. Those memories for Gold are false. If he were to call up “his friend” Bob and call in a favor–“Bob. It’s Gold, I’m calling in a favor and you’re going to help me with a baby.”–it wouldn’t work because Bob doesn’t actually know Gold. Unless we’re going to say that the Curse implanted memories into people of this world (and I don’t think we can)

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