Henry’s Father

[thedarkone]

@Lil’Red wrote:

She tells Mary Margaret in maybe the second episode that finding is one of the few things she is good at in life – I think she even makes a comment to Graham and Regina in the first episode that finding people is just what she does. Since she can’t really tell if someone’s lying or not, maybe she will end up with some type of superpower after all.

I agree. And since Emma’s role as the curse-breaker is over, maybe her next role will be to find Bae. Even if Bae isn’t Henry’s father, I still think that it will be Emma who will find him in the end.

[hjbau]

Well i think it is clear that Emma is causing things to happen by her presence and her actions. Like Gold got his memories back when he heard Emma’s name and the clock ticked when she decided to stay in town and the mines caved in when she became deputy and put on the badge and Regina’s tree dying the longer she stayed in town. There is something magical going on there. Which is why i like the idea that Emma wishing on the blue star candle could have caused something to happen. And that maybe Emma could have caused other things to happen as well before she came to Storybrooke. I don’t know though about that. It is just a theory.

And about the lying thing. It isn’t that it is a superpower. It is just that she is really good at reading people. The problem is in the past she has been able to not be emotional about it because she hasn’t had any real connections, but now when it comes to Henry and Mary Emma’s emotions get in the way and she can’t read people because she is just thinking emotionally and not rationally and objectively thinking and and reading the situation. I think that makes sense. If anything is true about the characters in this show they are not rational when it comes to their children.

PS. I don’t think the curse is technically completely broken because everyone is still in the real world and like Emma asked Henry they haven’t returned to fairytale land yet.

[thedarkone]

@hjbau wrote:

Well i think it is clear that Emma is causing things to happen by her presence and her actions. Like Gold got his memories back when he heard Emma’s name and the clock ticked when she decided to stay in town and the mines caved in when she became deputy and put on the badge and Regina’s tree dying the longer she stayed in town. There is something magical going on there. Which is why i like the idea that Emma wishing on the blue star candle could have caused something to happen. And that maybe Emma could have caused other things to happen as well before she came to Storybrooke. I don’t know though about that. It is just a theory.

And about the lying thing. It isn’t that it is a superpower. It is just that she is really good at reading people. The problem is in the past she has been able to not be emotional about it because she hasn’t had any real connections, but now when it comes to Henry and Mary Emma’s emotions get in the way and she can’t read people because she is just thinking emotionally and not rationally and objectively thinking and and reading the situation. I think that makes sense. If anything is true about the characters in this show they are not rational when it comes to their children.

PS. I don’t think the curse is technically completely broken because everyone is still in the real world and like Emma asked Henry they haven’t returned to fairytale land yet.

Good point about the curse. There are two integral aspects to the curse. The loss of memory and the realm jumping. Right now, the only thing that has been reversed was the memory loss, but everyone is still stuck in our world. They haven’t jumped realms yet. So, you’re probably right on the money about that. 😉

I also really like the theory of Emma wishing in the blue star. When I first saw that scene, I knew it would have greater significance later in the series.

[hjbau]

And when Emma wished on the blue star candle she even did what she did when she put on the badge. She did a double take. She like closed her eyes wished and then the bell rang and she looked up and then looked back at the candle. And later on she brought it up to Regina how today was her birthday and she wished and he came. It may be nothing, but i like the idea that it is something.

And that isn’t exactly magic, not the way Regina or Rumpel do magic, but it is still Emma causing things to happen through her decisions and her force of will or whatever you want to call it. The introduction to Emma is so great. I found that scene abrasive when i first saw it, but they just show so much about the character in those opening scenes with Emma, so much emotion. Very well done.

[a_desperate_soul]

@hjbau wrote:

And when Emma wished on the blue star candle she even did what she did when she put on the badge. She did a double take. She like closed her eyes wished and then the bell rang and she looked up and then looked back at the candle. And later on she brought it up to Regina how today was her birthday and she wished and he came. It may be nothing, but i like the idea that it is something.

And that isn’t exactly magic, not the way Regina or Rumpel do magic, but it is still Emma causing things to happen through her decisions and her force of will or whatever you want to call it. The introduction to Emma is so great. I found that scene abrasive when i first saw it, but they just show so much about the character in those opening scenes with Emma, so much emotion. Very well done.

Aww, I loved that scene too. I hope the writers give us more scene like that in season 2. I’m glad to see that people haven’t forgotten about the significance of that scene. I can’t help but think that her wish will come into play in later seasons. Especially now that the Blue Fairy has gotten her memory back.

[antbee]

@TheDarkOne wrote:

I think a large chunk of the information that fans have gathered as “evidencce” that Bae is Henry’s father are quotes from the creators themselves. There is no solid evidence that Bae is the father, and yet, I can’t help but think that’s exactly what’s going to happen. Even though my only evidence are a few ambiguous quotes, the whole Baelfire=firefighter thing, and the fact that Bae was sent to a world without magic.

True right now there’s not a whole lot of solid evidence besides the quotes from the creators themselves that he is the father, but for me I just don’t think he can be anyone else. It would feel like a ret-con if there was another magical person besides the 3 that we know made it to our world before the Curse hit that happened to be Henry’s father. Then, if they go the other route and have the father be non-magical that doesn’t wouldn’t make sense to me either because I don’t even know if that person would be able to enter Storybrooke, and wouldn’t seem to fit the quote of being this big missing puzzle piece.

Of course, it’s definitely possible that they’re hyping it up way too much and Henry’s dad won’t be that important, but I trust them on this issue that it will be an “aha moment” for fans that don’t follow that show that closely like we do here.

I think a lot of people believe the theory because it’s just too coincidental. Why would the writers send Bae to our world? There were a ton, and I mean A TON of different explanations they could have come up with as to why Rumpel created the curse. And yet, they settled on this one. Once again, I know I’m just pulling theories out of thin air, but there’s just something about theory that feels…true. Out of all the theories about who could possibly be Henry’s father (August, Graham, Dr. Whale, even freaking Jefferson 😆 ) this is the only one that sounds right. But like I just said, the theories prior to this one were so laughably weak that any other theory could come along and smash it to pieces. 😆

Yes, I know a lot of people who hate the theory think that it’s too coincidental that Bae would end up being the father of Henry’s father, and while I can see why they would think so, for me it wouldn’t be coincidental because it is a show about fairy tales and not a non-fictional show, so obviously the show can fall back on some kind of reasoning like they were attracted to each other because they could sense that they were both magical or the Curse was a part of it or just fate that they happened to get together.

Also, it’s not like other things on this show couldn’t be considered too coincidental. Like what are the odds that the grandchild of Snow White and the child of the Savior would be adopted by the Evil Queen until we find out otherwise on how he was brought to Storybrooke. Or what are the odds that there was only one magic bean left and only one magic tree left, so that no one else could be brought to this world.

Would it be predictable? At this point, I guess for fans that really follow the show besides just watching it on tv, maybe, but like I posted before on this subject, I think the people that follow it on the Internet and try to predict everything that happens is probably a pretty small number compared to the casual viewers who probably would be surprised if Bae turns out to be Henry’s dad.

But I’m not going to lie, I really like the theory. I like the idea of Henry being the one thing that all the warring on this show factions have in common. He’d be connected to the Charmings, connected to Rumpel’s family, and also to Regina. I think it’s very beautiful. These three different sides can fight and argue all they want, but at the end of the day, they’ll all have to stop for Henry’s sake. I hope the writers revisit that theme in future seasons.

Yes, this is one of the major reasons that I love this theory and believe it will be true. Right now everyone that I think of as a major character in the show (Emma, Henry, Snow, Charming, Regina, and Rumple) are all related to one another in some way except Rumple which seems really odd because of him being the reason behind the Curse. The other main characters don’t have any reason to care about Bae right now, but if he’s Henry’s father and possibly Emma’s true love, then they have a reason to care about who Bae is. It would probably be one of the few times that Regina and the Charmings were on the same page because they’ll probably all be horrified.

Likewise, they would all have to be careful in what they do to each other, well mainly Regina and Rumple, because Henry would be connected to all of them. Right now Rumple hasn’t gone after the Charmings directly and seems to like them and kids well enough that I doubt he would actually turn against them as Regina has, but he did run away with the love potion before Henry was saved, which will make him look even worse if Henry is his grandson and someone happens to mention that to Bae whenever he shows up in Storybrooke. I like to think Rumple knew all along that Henry was going to be okay, but there’s no proof that he did, so that could be something else that he comes to regret later on.

Further, I wonder if Bae did have doubts about his feelings for Emma, assuming that’s why he might have disappeared in the first place, because maybe he was afraid that his feeling weren’t real but were was all due to his father and the Curse. Or maybe that will be an issue explored later on with either Bae and/or Emma, which for me would be very interesting because without the Curse, they likely would never have had the opportunity to meet because of the time difference between them in their own world. So if does turn out to be true love, which I think it will be, then there was actually good that came out of the Curse because it lead Bae and Emma to each other and resulted in Henry who will probably help unite everyone in some way.

If Henry’s father wasn’t Bae, while I’m sure I would still enjoy the show, right now I believe that there’s just a lot more drama and story lines that can be written if Henry’s father is Bae, then if he’s not.

I also like the idea of Emma and Bae being orphans together. For all we know, Bae could have popped out the vortex around the same time Emma was 14. I could easily see them being drawn to each other due to their tragic backgrounds. They were both parentless, from Fairytale land and are directly conencted to the curse. Baelfire being the inspiration and reasoning for the curse and Emma being it’s ender. I like the poetry of it all. 😀

Yes, this is another reason that I like their relationship or at least potential relationship. He was the reason the Curse was created, and she was put into the Curse to help break it. Likewise, they do have many things in common especially both of them being original characters thought up by the writers that happen to be the offspring of famous fairy tale characters that the audience is already aware of.

[elle]

One of the interesting parts of this series is that some of the pivitol characters–Bae, Emma, and Pinocchio, and possibly more–all were parentless, all sent to a world without magic by force, and all three of their lives are intertwined. Bae was the reason for the curse, Emma was sent to be the savior, and Pinocchio was to be her protector. And all of them (we don’t really know Bae’s circumstances, but we can assume to an extent) grew up in harsh conditions in this world. As too convenient as it would be for Bae to be Henry’s father, it is hard to deny that it would, in many ways, make sense. I could see Bae and Emma somehow meeting–both of them were orphans, both of alone and could easily have bonded from their loss. The writers would really have to make it seem real on how they would have met, though–and I can’t see how Rumpelstiltskin could manipulate them into meeting. I don’t think he would have done that to his son, nor do I see the point–if he could get Emma and Bae to meet, why wouldn’t he have just done that for himself and Bae?

The only problems there are how they would meet–Emma said that she met him when she worked as a waitress, so if the father is Bae, he would have adjusted to life in this world by then. Also, age is a factor–it is never told the exact time that he fell through the portal. There is also the fact that Emma did not describe Henry’s father in the best way–his apparently got better and he left shortly afterwards seems very different. It doesn’t sound like the Bae we the audiance have been introduced to, unless he slowly got corrupted, similar to Pinocchio.

[darcyfarrow]

Ever since we met the shepherd, the back of my brain’s been telling me that there’s a blood relationship between Rumple and Charming. The finale doubly reinforced that feeling. Rumple treats Charming and Snow as more than clients: his whole tone with them is different than with anyone else. It could be just because they’re the parents-to-be of the savior; it could be because the things they ask from him are less superficial and less selfish than the things he’s usually asked for. But that doesn’t completely cover it for me. I’m still driven to think Rumple and Charming are kin. The finale really sewed it up for me: Rumple actually allowed Charming to see his human side–he hadn’t done that for anyone since Belle. In talking about Belle, he tried to be his usual sarcastic self, but just couldn’t. And the advice about love he gives Charming (and likewise, the advice Gold gives to David in the Valentine-buying scene) is downright fatherly. Rumple also spends quite a bit of time with Charming, compared to his other clients.

So I’ve been trying to find a way to make it work that Charming could be Rumple’s son, but I never could force that theory to life. But the idea of Bae being Henry’s father enables my theory to be partially true. If Rumple could see Charming’s future, perhaps he saw Henry there, and perhaps he recognized Henry as Bae’s son. If he could see that far ahead, he would be doubly motivated to help his future in-laws, and doubly impatient for Regina to activate the curse, knowing which of the lands without magic Bae had gone to.

[lilred]

He is very INVESTED in their futures and the conception of Emma. I never thought of Charming and Rumple as related but I definitely see the start of a bro-mance between Charming and Rumple (and some interesting Holidays if they shared a grandson). The Dark One is clearly the president of the Snowing fanclub, so maybe there is motive besides the two making a savior: if the product of true love was really all he needed, couldn’t that have occurred centuries before Charming and Snow? What about this pair caught his attention or did he just see in the future that it was them, their daughter, ect.?
And now I really want a scene where Rumple and Charming train Henry to sword fight. I am doing great repressing this theory!

[Aliasscape]

I just hope if he IS Bae then the father isn’t immediately white-washed. I kinda LIKE the idea that Bae had trouble adjusting to our world, had some troubles, bitterness and actually made some mistakes regarding Emma. It was over 10 years ago, obviously he could have shaped up since then. Fine. But I don’t want it to come off like Emma just didn’t give him a chance blah blah. If Henry’s father goes from “not a good guy” to just “misunderstood” I’m going to be annoyed.

Whoever Henry’s father is, I would like to see Snow and Charming be a little more interested in it eventually as well. Emma’s convo with MM about him in “True North” practically makes him sound evil so love to see some parental concern on their part about him.

As for Bae, father or not, I hope his stance on magic isn’t suddenly changed either. And that all this time away from Rumpel doesn’t instantly make him soft on him.

I suppose Bae and Emma happening to run into each other doesn’t bug me as much as it could though. While it’s entirely too convenient for dramatic purposes, it still makes sense in this sort of “other worldly connection” sort of way. Like those rare odds where separately adopted siblings feel an inexplicable draw towards each other prior to realizing WHY they felt so close. (Or in less creepy circumstances, when a separated mother/child almost instantly recognize each other after decades.)

Heh, in Fringe, things from alternate universes have a different frequency they give off. So I could kinda see the former residents of the Enchanted Forest all having their own frequency that may make them more likely than normal to find each other.

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