Henry’s Father

[midnight dreary]

@Oncescape wrote:

I just hope if he IS Bae then the father isn’t immediately white-washed. I kinda LIKE the idea that Bae had trouble adjusting to our world, had some troubles, bitterness and actually made some mistakes regarding Emma. It was over 10 years ago, obviously he could have shaped up since then. Fine. But I don’t want it to come off like Emma just didn’t give him a chance blah blah. If Henry’s father goes from “not a good guy” to just “misunderstood” I’m going to be annoyed.

Whoever Henry’s father is, I would like to see Snow and Charming be a little more interested in it eventually as well. Emma’s convo with MM about him in “True North” practically makes him sound evil so love to see some parental concern on their part about him.

As for Bae, father or not, I hope his stance on magic isn’t suddenly changed either. And that all this time away from Rumpel doesn’t instantly make him soft on him.

I suppose Bae and Emma happening to run into each other doesn’t bug me as much as it could though. While it’s entirely too convenient for dramatic purposes, it still makes sense in this sort of “other worldly connection” sort of way. Like those rare odds where separately adopted siblings feel an inexplicable draw towards each other prior to realizing WHY they felt so close. (Or in less creepy circumstances, when a separated mother/child almost instantly recognize each other after decades.)

Heh, in Fringe, things from alternate universes have a different frequency they give off. So I could kinda see the former residents of the Enchanted Forest all having their own frequency that may make them more likely than normal to find each other.

But would it be so hard to imagine that Emma’s viewpoint may be a bit scewed? I have a feeling that both Emma and Bae’s viewpoints will be quite biased. There’s an old saying that goes “there’s her side, there’s his side, and then there’s the truth.” Or something to that effect.

[Aliasscape]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

But would it be so hard to imagine that Emma’s viewpoint may be a bit scewed? I have a feeling that both Emma and Bae’s viewpoints will be quite biased. There’s an old saying that goes “there’s her side, there’s his side, and then there’s the truth.” Or something to that effect.

Not saying it couldn’t be, just that I don’t want it to be. Emma’s character’s intelligence was manipulated for most of the first season at the whims of the plot. I don’t want her character taking yet another hit just to make Henry’s father look good.

Thus far Emma hasn’t made it out like she never should have gone to jail or so seems like she fully owns up for that particular responsibility. I’d rather there not be any valid reason to feel like Emma actually should have told Henry’s father of her pregnancy and his existence and allowed him any sort of rights at the time.

I feel like it’s a pretty serious decision to deny a guy the knowledge he even created a kid and I don’t want it to just be that Emma didn’t feel like it or was just angry at him and couldn’t see past that, blah blah. I want that to have really been a right decision and for him not to have been a person you would have wanted raising Henry 10 years ago.

She’s already not a perfect character. I’d rather she not end up seeming despicable especially not with any character related to Rumpel.

[a chipped cup]

@Oncescape wrote:

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

But would it be so hard to imagine that Emma’s viewpoint may be a bit scewed? I have a feeling that both Emma and Bae’s viewpoints will be quite biased. There’s an old saying that goes “there’s her side, there’s his side, and then there’s the truth.” Or something to that effect.

Not saying it couldn’t be, just that I don’t want it to be. Emma’s character’s intelligence was manipulated for most of the first season at the whims of the plot. I don’t want her character taking yet another hit just to make Henry’s father look good.

Thus far Emma hasn’t made it out like she never should have gone to jail or so seems like she fully owns up for that particular responsibility. I’d rather there not be any valid reason to feel like Emma actually should have told Henry’s father of her pregnancy and his existence and allowed him any sort of rights at the time.

I feel like it’s a pretty serious decision to deny a guy the knowledge he even created a kid and I don’t want it to just be that Emma didn’t feel like it or was just angry at him and couldn’t see past that, blah blah. I want that to have really been a right decision and for him not to have been a person you would have wanted raising Henry 10 years ago.

I’m afraid of that happening too. Personally, I never really minded that Emma fell prey to manipulation from time to time. It wasn’t her fault. You have all these powerful people who know the truth about the curse and how to use it to their advantage. So, the fact that Emma got tricked a few times is actually pretty realistic and understandable.

However, with the case of Henry’s father, I do feel that the writers are going to draw the situation with some broad strokes of gray. So yes, Emma may end up looking less sympathetic than before. But who’s to say that Bae won’t either? My personal opinion on the mater is that Emma and Bae were probably both orphans and were extremely lonely and unstable. They probably both got into a ton trouble. So, when Emma told Mary Margaret that Henry’s father was “no hero,” we do have to to take into account that neither was Emma at the time. They both sound like lost children who got into trouble because they didn’t have anyone to take care of them.

She’s already not a perfect character. I’d rather she not end up seeming despicable especially not with any character related to Rumpel.

So, you just don’t want Emma looking bad with someone related to Rumpel? I don’t think the fact that Bae is related to Rumpel makes him evil. I’m not sure what you’re saying here. I apologize if I’m interpreting your quote incorrectly.

[Aliasscape]

@A Chipped Cup wrote:

I’m afraid of that happening too. Personally, I never really minded that Emma fell prey to manipulation from time to time. It wasn’t her fault. You have all these powerful people who know the truth about the curse and how to use it to their advantage. So, the fact that Emma got tricked a few times is actually pretty realistic and understandable.

I just feel like her characterization was the most inconsistent thing of the entire first season. She has a few strong standout episodes and then a whole lot of idiocy and stuff that made zero sense in any universe. Take for example the let’s break into the mayor’s shed and SEE if there’s a shovel back there that’s broken. Okay, so they do that, they see that there is. Then Emma comes back with a warrant. There’s no way she could have gotten a warrant based on “Well I broke in already and saw it!” so her new information that did her no good legally means she apparently could have just gotten a warrant to begin with and didn’t.

However, with the case of Henry’s father, I do feel that the writers are going to draw the situation with some broad strokes of gray. So yes, Emma may end up looking less sympathetic than before. But who’s to say that Bae won’t either? My personal opinion on the mater is that Emma and Bae were probably both orphans and were extremely lonely and unstable. They probably both got into a ton trouble. So, when Emma told Mary Margaret that Henry’s father was “no hero,” we do have to to take into account that neither was Emma at the time. They both sound like lost children who got into trouble because they didn’t have anyone to take care of them.

For me, taking away someone’s kid is not a “gray area” though. He either was capable and worthy of raising Henry or he wasn’t at that point in time. I have no interest in hearing a whole lot “You took my kid away from me and never gave me a chance” type whining especially because of the Emma blacklash it might create especially since we already have that going on with her now having Henry away from Regina (and it’s not like there’s any question about how evil Regina is at present.) I don’t expect Henry’s father to be obviously/currently pure evil so it’ll be 10 times worse with him.

I think it’s better that in the past neither Emma or this guy would have been good parents to Henry decade ago and the issue be more if the guy’s changed enough to be in Henry’s life now rather than that he was a great guy all along and Emma just didn’t see it.

So, you just don’t want Emma looking bad with someone related to Rumpel? I don’t think the fact that Bae is related to Rumpel makes him evil. I’m not sure what you’re saying here. I apologize if I’m interpreting your quote incorrectly.

I don’t think Bae or Henry’s father or if they’re one in the same will be evil. But no I don’t want Emma to be the next character facing the ire of the fans of the character who “can do no wrong”.

[an empty heart]

Yes, Bae being Henry’s father would be quite a coincidence, but this entire show is one big coincidence. Regina ends up adopting the grandchild of her arch nemesis, August turns out to be the boy who found Emma on the side of the road, ect. So, having Bae be Henry’s father doesn’t really bother me. I actually like how it ties all the different factions of the show together. Henry would become the common denomenator in all the characters’ lives. It would make the war between, Rumpel, Regina and the Charmings just that more intense and exciting. They all hate each other and would love nothing more tha for each of them to die, but the only obstical standing in their way would be their of Henry. I ups the stakes quite a bit.

[hjbau]

I wait for the oh Emma is horrible because she won’t let Rumpel see Henry threads. Oh Emma is horrible because she didn’t tell Bae about Henry.

[a chipped cup]

Wait, what? Why would people be angry at Emma for taking Henry away from Regina. She’s evil. That’s why they call the EVIL QUEEN. *Sigh*

But as far as who’s in the right and who’s in the wrong, I’ll wait to see their backstory and then give my verdict. I tend to have a more sympathetic outlook on the show’s characters than most. I can forgive just about anything. So, even if Emma didn’t have a solid reason for not telling the father about Henry, I still wouldn’t hold it against her. She was 18 and clearly lost. In the end, she did what she thought was the right thing for her son. I can’t really fault her for that.

The only thing that would disappoint me would be if Henry’s father really was a good guy and yet Emma still pushed him away. That would upset me.

[a_desperate_soul]

It all depends on what happened between the two. Emma got pregnant during a very troubling time in her life. She was a trouble-maker and the father was probably a trouble-maker too. So, I think both parties will take some of the blame. It all depends on why Emma decided to hide her pregnancy from the father. If it was a for a legitimate reason, like if he was a criminal or physically abusive, then she had every right to hide it from him. I just hope it wasn’t because she didn’t feel up to the task and she kept the pregnancy away from the father becauase she knew he would make her raise him.

Having said that, I actually do believe Emma when she said that Henry’s father was “no hero.” Now, what means exactly is anybody’s guess. He could have just been a lost soul like Emma was, he could have been suffering from severe depression, he could have been a burn-out, or he could have been a criminal. We’ll just have to wait and see how the writers handle it next season.

[Daniel J. Lewis]

Bae suffering from severe depression or mental problems wouldn’t shock me at all. His father abandoned him, he crossed multiple realsm and was left all by himself to cope in an alien world. I’d be surprised if the Bae we saw in the flashbacks is still the same Bae we see in future seasons. The poor guy must be an absolute reck.

[beauty the beast]

@*The Looking Glass* wrote:

Bae suffering from severe depression or mental problems wouldn’t shock me at all. His father abandoned him, he crossed multiple realsm and was left all by himself to cope in an alien world. I’d be surprised if the Bae we saw in the flashbacks is still the same Bae we see in future seasons. The poor guy must be an absolute reck.

Definitely. There’s some serious storytelling potential there. The producers confirmed a few months ago that Bae’s story will be revisited in season 2. So, we’ll learn more about his character and personality soon enough.

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