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November 17, 2013 at 9:22 pm #224514RumplesGirlKeymaster
Peter Pan cannot take Henry’s heart. Henry had to give his heart willingly. (It was also gold).
Does having the heart of the truest believer mean that his heart can never be taken at all, sort of like Emma’s?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 17, 2013 at 9:29 pm #224522SlurpeezParticipantPeter Pan cannot take Henry’s heart. Henry had to give his heart willingly. (It was also gold). Does having the heart of the truest believer mean that his heart can never be taken at all, sort of like Emma’s?
Henry having to give his heart willingly so PP could be immortal is a bit like Snow having to eat the poisoned apple willingly to fall under the sleeping curse. Yet, it could also be that PP couldn’t forcibly remove Henry’s heart, because it’s safeguarded similar to how Emma’s heart is safeguarded, meaning only Henry can removed his own heart. I wonder if Emma’s heart is also golden or just Henry’s because he’s the truest believer.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 17, 2013 at 9:33 pm #224530RumplesGirlKeymasterI really wanna know what color Emma’s heart is. I totally agree that Henry had to willingly hand over his heart to Peter, that has been my theory for a long time. But I still wonder if Henry was born with that heart (hence the magic birth scene in 301) or if it developed that way over the years.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 19, 2013 at 11:10 am #225073vilyaParticipantMaybe if Pan had taken it it would have lost some of it’s luster, kind of like the stars in Stardust. I think Henry’s heart would shine the brightest when it was given during a moment of self sacrificing belief, all of which would make his heart exceptionally good and pure. If Snow can darken her heart than Henry can certainly lighten his.
November 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm #225097SlurpeezParticipantDavid Goodman, who co-wrote “Think Lovely Thoughts,” confirmed in an interview with Barbara Barnett that the reason Henry’s heart is golden is because he’s the truest believer.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 22, 2013 at 9:31 am #225738obisgirlParticipantPeter Pan also put magic or something on Henry’s hand, enabling him to remove his heart. Regina can remove her heart on her own (she’s already powerful) but PP needed to do something extra for Henry, give him magic, enabling him to remove his heart.
Does that not make Henry not magical then?
November 22, 2013 at 9:49 am #225742RumplesGirlKeymasterPeter Pan had to help Henry out a bit, which might mean that even if Henry was willing to take his own heart, it would have still been difficult because of its status as THotTB.
In the most recent lightening round interview, A and E confirmed that Henry’s heart could not be taken unwillingly.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm #225768obisgirlParticipantNow we know the real reason Pan needs Henry’s heart, but we still don’t know how Pan knew that Henry was the truest believer? He had his picture in 2×22, but how did he know it was Henry specifically? Can Peter Pan see the future and that’s how he knew?
November 22, 2013 at 1:16 pm #225779kfchimeraParticipantWe don’t know enough of the mythology of hearts to answer. Emma sacrificed herself when Cora tried to take Snow’s heart. Cora was not reaching for Emma’s heart.
I felt reminded of Harry Potter’s story where it was sort of a self-fufilling prophecy that Harry himself was special. When Emma believed in the strength of love, she made that real. She is a child of true love but so are others (though there is only Aurora’s that we know for sure because of true love kiss rather than implied dialog, as for Charming and Snow’s parents.)
So is it an inherent thing as Rumple sort of implies, that he did not do anything, but it is what she is–or was the more important thing what she chose to do for love?
Evil is not born, nor evil powers, so why would good or good powers be? Maybe, this type of power belief or love, develops over time and is not instant. Henry’s experiences in SB led him to be the type of person who could believe so strongly the way Pan needed. The same perhaps with Emma.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
November 22, 2013 at 1:55 pm #225790RumplesGirlKeymasterNow we know the real reason Pan needs Henry’s heart, but we still don’t know how Pan knew that Henry was the truest believer? He had his picture in 2×22, but how did he know it was Henry specifically? Can Peter Pan see the future and that’s how he knew?
I think those questions will be answered before hiatus, most likely in 311.
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