Home Office

[RumplesGirl]

@KFChimera wrote:

As Snow told Charming–you can have more than one (grandmother).

What if that woman in the picture is say her father’s side, but her maternal grandmother is Wendy?

Totally didn’t think of that. Nice catch.

I just feel like if they were going to make a big deal out of her grandmother, with whom she is probably very close–to the point that she carries a pic of her, the grandmother would be someone significant in another way.

[kfchimera]

Yes, it seems more obvious that the person shown in the picture would be the person who inspires Tamara to be anti-magic. Then again, there’s more of the fake-out factor if we find out as she talks about the lady in the picture being the one who raised her, because her own parents died because of the “cause” started by her other grandmother.

Now I’m starting to wonder something else….could Jefferson be in any way connected to the Home Office? He lost his wife because of his job (realm hopping). Could the HO have caught her? I know we won’t see him any time soon –but it would be a great way to bring him back into the storyline next year.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[laurieanne]

I’m very interested in this as well. I just think it’s odd and disturbing and crazy that Tamara was willing to use magic to escape from Emma, all the while saying that magic is poison. She’s a hypocrite. Her hatred of magic is not as strong as her desire to avoid the consequences of murder. She is against magic but she thinks murder is just fine. And yet, we are sure to see her backstory which will no doubt explain why she is so evil and why we need to feel sorry for her. I think it is a personal vendetta for Tamara and obviously we know it is for Greg. Maybe all the foot soldiers have personal experience with being harmed by magic. Tamara seems to be way too committed to the “cause” to have it be unrelated to her in a personal way.

[kfchimera]

I agree Laurieanne. Good point that she used magic to escape. There are many things that do not add up for her.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[moonlight1876]

I had that theory about the Darlings as well, however, as my little sister pointed out, if the Darlings were in charge, Wendy wouldn’t have let them trick Bae like that, nor would have let anything happen to them, unless she died and she was not there to stop it. She is most likely dead now. But even though she died, she would have left something about Bae, and Tamara knew exactly who he was. If Bae was important enough for Wendy to start it, if the shadow didn’t get her or the boys, then she would have left something telling the people about Bae. Or the Darlings would have, had Wendy or the boys gotten kidnapped by the shadow, which would definitely fuel their hate for magic. To them, magic is evil, so it would make sense that it would be them who started it. But if it was them, even if they were dead, they would have been sure that someone knew about Bae. They thought he was kidnapped by the shadow, they didn’t know he got away. I can just see them in London wearing their top hats discussing how, “it takes away children,” and “destroys families.” I personally think that the “Home Office” was a reference to the Home Office in the UK, like Greg and Tamara are civil servants. Not that their “Home Office” is the Home Office necessarily, but I think they are fancying themselves the Home Office of magical problems. And that would make even more sense if the Darlings started it. But they wouldn’t let Bae get hurt; unless they founded it but are not around to run it anymore and left nothing telling about him, and the new people in charge decided that nothing would stop them.
But if it is part of the Home Office, major government conspiracy right there.

[moonlight1876]

Also ,the Home office could be devout catholics or christians like the ones who made Paganism as evil, even though it was/is a religion of the Earth. It could be like making the horned god the devil and things like that. Not that I don’t admire Saint Patrick, but he was the one who “drove the snakes out of Ireland” aka, pagans, and I am mad about that. If they wanted to, they could have made the “Home Office” as old as the Illuminati, or the Freemasons, they could even make it so they were originally part of one of those groups, or a merging of “Magic Haters”. Like what was already said, the Salem Trials show how many people like that there are in the world, and have been since the dawn of time.

[RumplesGirl]

There is a lot of religious language used by Tamara when she talks about her mission, so I do think the Home Office has taken on some sort of cult like qualities. I don’t think they’ll make them out right Christians or any other institutionalized religion because I think that’s a good way to lose viewers who might be offended, but you guys might be on to something about the Home Office stretching back even further than the Darlings.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[moonlight1876]

You’re right, they wouldn’t. I am though, because what I say has historical backing. The cases in which “witches” were persecuted, a reasoning that they always used was, “the devil was in her/him.” Most of the people in the Salem witch trials were not even witches, They used religion as an excuse. “God” would not condone killing innocent people. And the image of the devil is completely false, they made Lucifer have horns because of the Pagan horned god. I am born christian, but I realise that christians and catholics have a bloody history with people they condone as evil. That is what this Home Office is doing, using words like “evil” and “unholy” saying that it doesn’t belong. But magic is just as much a part of this earth as it is in FTL, not as instantaneous or “easy” as theirs, magic works invisibly, and imperceptibly. Pagans had an immense connection with the earth, they had knowledge of magic, spells and rituals. And yet they were regarded as snakes. People have been using religion and “bad/evil” to condone horrific acts for centuries. Hitler called jews the “inferior race”, I don’t agree with that, but it helps my point. They would never say that, but as a person who has been interested in history, particularly anything to do with magic, I realize that a lot of people have been using that as an excuse for a very long time, especially those two religions
Then again, some with magical skill were worshiped as gods, like the Tuatha De Danann, which became the basis of the Irish Faery Faith.

[RumplesGirl]

I agree with you. I think there is going to be a religious/cult like element about the Home Office. It may not have started off that way (if it was originally opened by Wendy Darling with the sole purpose of bringing Bae back) but that doesn’t mean it didn’t become that after so many years.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

I most definitely think that the Darlings have/had something to do with The Home Office, and I’m convinced of it because of the language used and the theme of this ep.
The Home Office.
GOAT refer to “the folks back at The Home Office”. “Folks” is a term used for family.
Bae says, “Thank you, Wendy, for making me a part of your family.”
Wendy, if not all the Darlings, are totally involved in this organisation, or at least were in the past if they’re dead now.

@Sedorna wrote:

Personally, I hope the Home Office is older than Wendy. In fact, I want it to be really, really old. I want it to have been in existence since ancient, possibly prehistoric times. Ever since magic first came into being, there were people dedicated to fighting it.

Though I wouldn’t mind if Wendy created the Home Office by bringing the different anti-magic groups together, rather than simply start the group out of whole cloth.

It would make for an awesome storyline if it stretched back that far! I’ve been wondering if perhaps the writers who wrote all these fairytales and stories could be part of it, and their role was exposing magic whenever it happened.

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Kellen wrote:

A link back to the Darling children would be neat. And Tamara sharing Grandma Wendy’s hatred of magic would make sense. I can see that more easily than her hating magic because of its effects on Robin and Marian: it was magic that cured Marian and Robin used a magic bow, so unless there’s a story that hasn’t even been hinted at yet, there’s no reason to assume Robin or Marian hat any reason to hate magic.

I don’t know if it has anything to do with RH or Marian hating magic. But if Marian and RH came to our world and maybe Marian’s sickness came back and she died, Tamara might hate the magic that was unable to save her mother.

Yep, I could see Tamara hating magic if a situation arose where she was either separated from her parents by it, or they died because of it. Puts her in the same mindset as Greg, which is how they ended up working together.

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