Hook and Rumbelle

[Ziera]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

@Ziera117 wrote:

[On a even more different note.. OOOH. I JUST HAD A REALLY SCARY THOUGHT.

This could be terrible…but what if…

What if now that there is magic in storybrooke, say the dagger does work. Say hook comes back and gets a hold of it, and finds belle out or whatever. What if he orders Rumpel to kill her? Rip out her heart?

:O

That would be so sad…but pretty awesome.

I don’t think Rumple would harm Belle even if he was being controlled. Isn’t true love supposed to be the most powerful magic of all or something? If so, I can see Rumple’s love for Belle triumphing over the control of the dagger.

thats a good idea!! Him regaining control over himself and breaking his curse with his own true love for Belle. I would like to see that. 🙂

[Ziera]

@Ziera117 wrote:

The only thing that makes Rumpel the dark one is his name on the dagger, like, as far as we can see.
He still looks human and everything. I’m still wondering though as to how he wouldn’t die if he got stabbed by some other knife. Maybe he can get killed by other things in our world? Like, if someone cut his head off, how would he sidestep that?

On a different note, what if somehow hook knows Rumpel is in a world without magic? Maybe Cora told him. What if he planned on the dagger not working?

Maybe, but I’m not sure its likely… Thoughs?

I am a hopeless Rumbelletic, I really am. haha 😉

But back to this. Again, thoughts?

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[thetrickster]

@Ziera117 wrote:

thats a good idea!! Him regaining control over himself and breaking his curse with his own true love for Belle. I would like to see that. 🙂

I know it fits the idea of true love in the show, but, you know, I don’t want Rumplestiltskin leaving magic T_T So, as far as he retains it, its oke with me 😛

About Hook knowing the dagger useless in our world… then the question is: is Mr. Gold a normal man? I mean, he has his magic and so on, but… can he be killed as everyone else?

Because if so, take revenge from him is as easy as if he were another man. Ok, he has magic, power… but can be killed with a sword, a gun, a bad hit on the head… The only true challenge would be kill him before being killed by his magic.

[Ziera]

@TheTrickster wrote:

@Ziera117 wrote:

thats a good idea!! Him regaining control over himself and breaking his curse with his own true love for Belle. I would like to see that. 🙂

I know it fits the idea of true love in the show, but, you know, I don’t want Rumplestiltskin leaving magic T_T So, as far as he retains it, its oke with me 😛

About Hook knowing the dagger useless in our world… then the question is: is Mr. Gold a normal man? I mean, he has his magic and so on, but… can he be killed as everyone else?

Because if so, take revenge from him is as easy as if he were another man. Ok, he has magic, power… but can be killed with a sword, a gun, a bad hit on the head… The only true challenge would be kill him before being killed by his magic.

Why would you want him to keep his magic? 🙂

Thats the question I have been asking. What do you think? I’m thinking that now that magic is back, Rumpel can’t be killed? But it is in our world.

@Ziera117 wrote:

…I’m still wondering though as to how he wouldn’t die if he got stabbed by some other knife. Maybe he can get killed by other things in our world? Like, if someone cut his head off, how would he sidestep that?

I’m thinking that if it were true, hook wouldn’t have needed to go to neverland to plan for centuries. Like you said, he could just go kill Rumpel.. OR, if Cora told him that he was in a land without magic, he would be like…”But i spent a lot of years finding this one thing I have. That was all for nothing?”

Perhaps the dagger wouldn’t have then been able to control rumpel, but could still kill him?

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[thetrickster]

I want him to keep magic because it is not just a curse.

As I understand it, magic is also something he likes, something he loves. He started in it because of the curse, but… it is like someone finding a field of study to which s/he is going to feel engaged for his-her entire live by mistake or because s/he couldn’t afford the payment of the studies s/he originally wanted (Something that I experienced myself).
Maybe it is just that I’m influenced by the way in which the wizards I loved in my childhood were truly engaged with magic -I’m thinking about Raistlin Majere, for instance, or even the Merlin of the legend-, but I think that it is not fair to force someone to choose between the person he loves and his passion-work-whatever you want.
So, I would prefer a ‘happy ending’ with a non cursed Rumplestiltskin -which means he gets his former ‘good-guy’ personality, and his previous ideas of use magic for the shake of people- keeping magic. Not as strong-powerful magic, but magic.
But I understand that this is not the way the show treats magic, so, I won’t cry so much when he: a.- leaves magic b.- dies c.- something-else-that-implies-take.that-sort-of-decition. 😆

Oh, sure! I was a bit messing in my writing, sorry.

What I meant was that if the dagger doesn’t work, then Mr. Gold can be killed as any of us. And that if he can’t, then that means that the dagger works. Because I can not figure out how could be possible that the dagger doesn’t work, but his owner remains immortal :S :S
-I’m open to any idea 😉 –

[gigi]

I think if he gets rid of dark magic, he still can use magic. Remember what Regina told Henry in We are both? She said she can teaches him magic. So if Rumple quit being the dark one, he still has a huge knowledge of magic over the centuries and can eventually uses it since magic is now in our world 🙂

[thetrickster]

oh, that would be my happy ending *_*

Speaking about that -completely offtopic- magic has been brought just to StoryBrooke, or to the entire world?
I guess to the entire world, since Rumplestiltskin planed go out of Storybrooke to find Baelfire, but I’m not sure about it; the purple smoke scenes were onlu in SB….

[gigi]

I think when the purple smoke spread through SB, all the ex-magic wielders can now use magic again, which mean if they get out of SB, they could still use it. Note that the purple smoke affected magic-wielders only. So other normal people in the entire world can’t (don’t know how to) use magic but they might learn it from the magic wielders, if these people can get out of SB of course.

[Ziera]

@TheTrickster wrote:

I want him to keep magic because it is not just a curse.

As I understand it, magic is also something he likes, something he loves. He started in it because of the curse, but… it is like someone finding a field of study to which s/he is going to feel engaged for his-her entire live by mistake or because s/he couldn’t afford the payment of the studies s/he originally wanted (Something that I experienced myself).
Maybe it is just that I’m influenced by the way in which the wizards I loved in my childhood were truly engaged with magic -I’m thinking about Raistlin Majere, for instance, or even the Merlin of the legend-, but I think that it is not fair to force someone to choose between the person he loves and his passion-work-whatever you want.
So, I would prefer a ‘happy ending’ with a non cursed Rumplestiltskin -which means he gets his former ‘good-guy’ personality, and his previous ideas of use magic for the shake of people- keeping magic. Not as strong-powerful magic, but magic.
But I understand that this is not the way the show treats magic, so, I won’t cry so much when he: a.- leaves magic b.- dies c.- something-else-that-implies-take.that-sort-of-decition. 😆

Oh, sure! I was a bit messing in my writing, sorry.

What I meant was that if the dagger doesn’t work, then Mr. Gold can be killed as any of us. And that if he can’t, then that means that the dagger works. Because I can not figure out how could be possible that the dagger doesn’t work, but his owner remains immortal :S :S
-I’m open to any idea 😉 –

That really is an interesting way to look at it. Thank you for that new way to look at things. 🙂

Yeah, I see that… but what if it couldn’t order him around, but still kill him? I don’t know..

@Gigi wrote:

I think if he gets rid of dark magic, he still can use magic. Remember what Regina told Henry in We are both? She said she can teaches him magic. So if Rumple quit being the dark one, he still has a huge knowledge of magic over the centuries and can eventually uses it since magic is now in our world 🙂

I agree with this, but…and maybe its just me…but I don’t want Rumpel to continue practicing magic. I don’t think he likes it. I think that it reminds him that he is a coward, and can’t do things without it. I want him to be free of it…saved from it if you will. Its addictive, like Daniel was saying, its like a drug. I think that Rumpel should start getting more sure of himself as himself without magic. He should be sure of his own strength to do things he needs to do. Belle is bringing this out in him…and I love it. 🙂 I can’t wait to see more of this down the road.

@TheTrickster wrote:

oh, that would be my happy ending *_*

Speaking about that -completely offtopic- magic has been brought just to StoryBrooke, or to the entire world?
I guess to the entire world, since Rumplestiltskin planed go out of Storybrooke to find Baelfire, but I’m not sure about it; the purple smoke scenes were onlu in SB….

Hmmm…thats an interesting question. Also a hard one!

@Gigi wrote:

I think when the purple smoke spread through SB, all the ex-magic wielders can now use magic again, which mean if they get out of SB, they could still use it. Note that the purple smoke affected magic-wielders only. So other normal people in the entire can’t (don’t know how to) use magic but they might learn it from the magic wielders, if these people can get out of SB of course.

You’re right. Cause when Rumpel was telling belle about his quest to find bey, she asked him why he brought magic there, and he said cause he was still a coward. He knows (maps he had in we are both as evidence) that Bey is somewhere outside storybrook.. and if he brought magic since he was still a coward that would mean that he wanted to take it with him. So I think the whole world, but youre right as in non magic people aren’t really effected by this change.

Good thinking guys. 🙂

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[Ziera]

Oh Gosh….I’m sad for Belle. She is going to have it hard in the upcoming episodes.

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