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I’ve been contemplating this for a while. It’s true, all signs point to Baelfire/Neal being Peter Pan (or at least a lost boy), which is why i’m coming up with some alternative theories. These writers are wanting us to think we know what’s coming, and then surprise us. My thinking:
In the ONLY official sequel to Peter Pan, titled PETER PAN IN SCARLET, the plot deals with Peter Pan slowly becoming Hook. This is my main evidence to support my theory. After Wendy and the boys leave Neverland, Pan continues to wear Hook’s pirate clothing and slowly becomes Hook.
Killian Jones, or HOOK, has a mysterious past we don’t know about yet. The real Hook’s name is James (or Jess) Hook. Why Killian for OUAT? I think that will be addressed. So I think this could be reason to believe that this isn’t the first, or original, Hook we know from the stories.
Hook is supposed to be an old man, but in OUAT he’s a dashing not quite middle-aged man. He has a Pan-like charm about him. While the Hook we are seeing could just be the way the writers chose to adapt him, I’m thinking there’s more to it.
This would be a lot like the movie, HOOK, as it portrays Peter Pan growing up.
Peter Pan has a darkside. It really comes out in the original stories. We know Hook did something to become captain at such a young age, but could it have been Peter Pan becoming captain? That could explain the name change and Hook’s charm.
What if Baelfire went to Neverland, became a lost boys, and helped Peter Pan and the Lost boys take over the pirates and become the new crew of the Jolly Roger. This would explain how Baelfire knows about ships and even possibly Hook’s sentimental remarks about the Lost Boys in the episode Tallahassee.
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[adrotate group="5"]I’m a pretty big believer in Nealfire Pan, but you’ve laid out some interesting ideas. Some thoughts:
Killian Jones, or HOOK, has a mysterious past we don’t know about yet. The real Hook’s name is James (or Jess) Hook. Why Killian for OUAT? I think that will be addressed. So I think this could be reason to believe that this isn’t the first, or original, Hook we know from the stories.
I am very curious about is past as well. Did he come to Neverland as a young boy or as the age he is now. As to his name: they couldn’t use James since that is David’s twin brother, but I think Killian is more for Colin who is Irish. But, the way you’re theorizing him, he does sound a bit like The Dread Pirate Roberts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dread_Pirate_Roberts from the Princess Bride where one Roberts retires and another takes his place. They’ve a couple of different models for this Hook: the original Hook obviously, maybe the Dread Pirate Roberts, and Johnny Depp’s Captain Jack Sparrow.
Hook is supposed to be an old man, but in OUAT he’s a dashing not quite middle-aged man. He has a Pan-like charm about him. While the Hook we are seeing could just be the way the writers chose to adapt him, I’m thinking there’s more to it.
That is very true, but I have wonder if that’s because Colin brings in the ladies. He is quite beautiful and the trend in Hollywood seems to be casting young gorgeous men as pirate anti-heroes. Jack Sparrow and then Will Turner spring to mind.
What if Baelfire went to Neverland, became a lost boys, and helped Peter Pan and the Lost boys take over the pirates and become the new crew of the Jolly Roger. This would explain how Baelfire knows about ships and even possibly Hook’s sentimental remarks about the Lost Boys in the episode Tallahassee.
If this is true, I wouldn’t be disappointed although I do think Nealfire is Pan. I more belive that Hook isn’t the devil we know him to be in the books/movies but actually fathered Nealfire while he was in Neverland and that is going to cause a huge strain on Rumple and Bae’s relationship.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m leaning towards Baelfire being Peter Pan as well, but these writers get me all the time. It happened in LOST and in OUAT.
The whole “Hook being out for himself” characterization i think can support my theory of him being Pan. Hook was evil through and through, but Pan really was out for himself. It was Pan’s selfish nature that made Wendy so cautious about him.
No matter who is Pan, I think we can all agree there is more to Hook than what we know.
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Hook is supposed to be an old man, but in OUAT he’s a dashing not quite middle-aged man. He has a Pan-like charm about him. While the Hook we are seeing could just be the way the writers chose to adapt him, I’m thinking there’s more to it.
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I love this theory – but I cracked up at “not quite middle aged” – Hook is definitely not even close to middle aged!! Back to the theory – I also think that K and H are doing a massive misdirection by revealing the episode names, and the dropping off all the little hints- so that we would all assume that Bae and Pan are one and the same. It is a way more interesting story if Hook is actually Pan. And that he might not be the traditional Hook we know in the story. But what is Nealfire’s connection to Hook then? It seems like just making him a lost boy is not enough for a major character. Personally I will not be disappointed either way- I’m just very excited about the possibility of someone,anyone going to Neverland.
Also, if Nealfire is NOT Pan, what is the connection to Tamara? is she from another story altogether? I am still holding on to her as Tinker Bell.
I love this theory and would actually be disappointed if Hook isn’t grown up Pan 🙁
The way he mentioned the Lost boys was not of scorn or dislike,and perhaps he even lead them once
There’s a lot of similarities and analysis of why Hook could be Peter, especially when we’ve seen it done with Ruby, who is both Red & the wolf, remember how much everyone loved that! 😀also,
His ears!
It would be such a waste of those ears of Colin’s! 😆I love your theory, and I have been a Bae is Peter Pan from the get go, but now that he is Henry’s father and Gold’s son and Emma’s love interest, his being Peter Pan as well would almost be too much. I could easily convert to this theory and enjoy the twist 🙂
I’m still going with NealFire Pan but I do think that Hook was once a Lost Boy himself perhaps. I think that making Bae be Peter, there’s a lot more option for storytelling involving their past rather than just showing Peter once in a Hook flashback and then never using that as more of the reason for potential conflict between Peter & Hook (it makes more sense if Bae is Peter).
Typically Peter is the one to cut off Hook’s hand but in this case it was Rumple – it would make sense that if Hook can’t get to Rumple, he’d possibly go after his son (or show mercy because he’s a part of Milah; or not even know who he is until later on and get along with him before that and then turn against him; who knows).
Either option I’m looking forward to and it would certainly be a twist. Bring on Neverland!
As for Bae being too many things…look who his dad is! It runs in the family I’m afraid (poor Henry, the things he has to look forward to from that side *sigh*).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I am a Hook/Peter shipper, altough it wouldn’t much bother me that Neal would turn out to be Peter. I think it would only be more interesting that Hook is the adult and Peter the child, cause for me that was always the feeling in other movies with a Neverland story.
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
If this is where the story’s going, I’ll be dancing in my living room because I also love this theory. It’s been floated before, but hasn’t really had a lot of a foundation for it to stand on except for the items you’ve mentioned. I looked up the name Killian. It means conflict (or conflicted). It sounds to me, like Peter Pan in “Scarlet” was very conflicted. I think Killian’s name is in itself, a clue to his past, and how it got him to where it is. Interestingly, Colin’s name (Colin O’Donoghue, the man who plays Hook) means “peaceful”. Colin and Killian are in terms, opposite to one another. I think that’s just another ingenious element in how well this show is casted!
I believe Bae is a lost boy. If he is, I think he might be Slightly. I looked up the Lost Boys in wikipedia, and it said that “unlike the other Lost Boys, he remembers his life before he was ‘lost’ ” (the portal). Neal obviously rememers his father (and I’m sure he’d remember his mother). He obviously remembers his life before he, and Gold were seperated.
There’s also one other very possible, and very convenient clue. One which again, gives credit to ingenous casting. Look at these ears:
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