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@Maiqu20 wrote:
@Sarah_TN wrote:
I don’t find humor, pleasure, or satisfaction in seeing someone in the real world, or on my favorite tv show get hurt. I prefer Hook, but didn’t find pleasure in seeing Rumple hurt (emotionally) either. I don’t hate any of the characters. Life is too short to be that petty. There’s not an innocent party here. Two wrongs don’t make a right. They’re both at fault. Rumple started it, when he got revenge the first time. That happened the first time when he sold his soul, and the second time when he killed Milah. When will he learn that every evil thing he does will bring him more evil? When will Hook finally have someone who instead of a hand of hatred, will show him compassion and understanding? It’s amazing what can grow when the right seeds are sown. Negativity begets negativity. Right now, the show is really, really negative. I don’t see any hope on the horizon here anywhere, for anybody. I’m not okay with the show leaving it that way for Hook, or for Rumple. All that does, is take, take, take. It doesn’t give back anything and is emotionally draining for no good purpose or benefit. I’m feeling drained, and really low right now. 🙁 😥
This! You can’t say Hook is evil and then praise Rumple just like you can’t praise Hook and then go against Rumple..
They have both done evil things but they are both broken…Hook is a lot more broken because he hasnt let go of Milah and his revenge until now..
@Sarah_TN wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Was just posting in another thread about how he took that beating on the boat because he felt he deserved the pain, like it was a release for all the emotional pain he’s been dealing with since the day he failed to protect Milah.
For all the nasty crap he’s done, I can’t help it, my heart broke into a frillion pieces for the guy in this ep because his grief and anger is so all consuming and personally destructive.
I agree. In the end, both Hook and Rumple paid the price for their hatred and unforgiveness. Surely they can’t just leave it there! For either of them! I had so much trouble sleeping last night. I know this is just a tv show, but it hurt!
Yes! Deep down he’s not a villain he’s just a broken man who has made a lot of wrong decisions.. I know they will find a way for them to get Belle’s memory back so I’m not all worried about that.. I am worried about Killian
Hook has just hit rock bottom and he needed to hit it.. the only way he can go is up
I think Emma is going to play a part in helping him get out of the hole he is in..They are very similar people, kindred souls , and she knows what is like to be broken so I do think she’s going to be the one to help him
Plus they did say he was going to fall with the good crowd which I'm thinking it's the charmings, plus it will allow Killian and Emma to get closer and he is going to one of her suitors this season
Thanks. I needed to see that.
[adrotate group="5"]I will repeat my thoughts about Hook here. For a moment there, I did feel sorry for him and Milah. But after his words exchange with Bella (‘Your heart is rotten’ – ‘You have no idea’) and such willingness to have his heart ripped out by Rumple (and losing with a cane??? he didn’t even try to defend himself!) I don’t think he was suicidal at all. I reckon his heart was cursed with Cora’s help or something like that so that Rumple would die if he tried to do anything with that? Or even not by Cora by but someone else – remember the scene when he walks down the bean stalk and argues with Cora, then finally challenges her to kill him? He’s not suicidal but he’s not afraid of dying. Or of what might happen if anyone does try to kill him.
He’s still vengeful and he has plan he’s determined to realize. Otherwise it would be just so contradicting – he didn’t even try to defend himself when attacked on the ship, appearing to give up and just wanting to die but he’s determined enough to chase after Rumple after that and attack Belle?
Or it might be just the attitude – never mind if I die but if Rumple pays the consequences, so be it. The thirst for vengeance could’ve blinded him completely, turning more into a buddy for Mad Hatter.Another thing – somehow I don’t see Archie spilling the beans. I know he seemed scared when Hook threatened him but it would take a lot more than that to make him talk. Also, how would he know about Baelfire’s cape? It makes me think that perhaps Hook met Bae in Neverland already and learned all he could about Rumple? He speculated that perhaps Rumple’s son wouldn’t want to reunite with him in the end but that could’ve just been cruel lies, just something Hook knew would work?
Well I disagree with you but that’s what these forums are for if we’d all have the same idea it would be boring..
About the Your Heart is Rotten…it’s because Hook does think his heart is rotten not literally but figuratively
He didn’t try to defend himself because he felt like he deserved to die, he’s not afraid of death he welcomes it, he wants to be with Milah.. He could have killed Belle many times during the episode but he didn’t and even when he shot her it was someplace he knew it wouldn’t kill her.
His attitude is just a mask, the man beyond the mask is broken. His revenge is basically done, Rumple lost Belle in a way..
About Archie
We know Archie knows about Bae and that he had a bad relationship with Rumple (told in the stranger) but I don’t think he told Hook about Bae, I think he might have mentioned Belle (not anything specific though), Hook already knew about Baelfire (he’s also Milah’s son remember) and he knew Milah made the shawl@Maiqu20 wrote:
Well I disagree with you but that’s what these forums are for if we’d all have the same idea it would be boring..
About the Your Heart is Rotten…it’s because Hook does think his heart is rotten not literally but figuratively
He didn’t try to defend himself because he felt like he deserved to die, he’s not afraid of death he welcomes it, he wants to be with Milah.. He could have killed Belle many times during the episode but he didn’t and even when he shot her it was someplace he knew it wouldn’t kill her.
His attitude is just a mask, the man beyond the mask is broken. His revenge is basically done, Rumple lost Belle in a way..
About Archie
We know Archie knows about Bae and that he had a bad relationship with Rumple (told in the stranger) but I don’t think he told Hook about Bae, I think he might have mentioned Belle (not anything specific though), Hook already knew about Baelfire (he’s also Milah’s son remember) and he knew Milah made the shawlI couldn’t have said it better myself!
I think in a way he blames himself for Milah’s death because he couldn’t protect her. Even when fighting the giant he calls himself the worst human around.
I personally don’t understand why people still believe that he is ‘evil’. The way I see it is if someone killed someone I love, I would not stop until I get even with them and get my revenge. I mean, it’s almost impossible to just say, ‘Oh they were just killed. Oh well life goes on..’, that’s not realistic.
Hook is so self-loathing, that its taken over him.
But what I have noticed is that there are 2 sides to Hook-Captain Hook and Killian Jones. In this peisode we saw Hook, but whenever he is around Emma (such as ep6) we see Killian Jones who opens up to Emma and can beat down her walls.‘He could have killed Belle many times during the episode but he didn’t and even when he shot her it was someplace he knew it wouldn’t kill her. ‘
Exactly. Yes he did shoot Belle who is an innocent by stander. But he didn’t kill her, which is what he wanted. I’ve seen some people say that what he has done is worse than killing her. But I strongly disagree. At least Rumple’s love is still alive and breathing. Over time her memory will come back, either through Rumple’s magic or something that will trigger he memory (which I think might be the chipped cup).We know Archie knows about Bae and that he had a bad relationship with Rumple (told in the stranger) but I don’t think he told Hook about Bae, I think he might have mentioned Belle (not anything specific though), Hook already knew about Baelfire (he’s also Milah’s son remember) and he knew Milah made the shawl
I never thought of that. That’s very possible, because as far as I know he knew nothing about Rumple and Belles’ relationship. And I highly doubt that he would’ve harmed Bae if he had the chance because he is Milah’s son, like he didn’t want to burn the shawl.
Something that really stood out to me though, was that he acted like he needed the shawl because Milah had made it and touched it. I think that over time Milah began to slip away from him, and she became nothing more than a memory, which is also now starting to slip away. And I think this is why he so desperately wants to be reunted with her, because its as if even her face has faded from his memory.
Despite this episode breaking my heart, its better to get it over with now then having it dragged on. Because now Hook can re-evaluate everything and try to found something that is worth fighting for (Emma). It will take time, but its going to be interesting because we get to see more behind the ‘mask’ he puts up.
Also, jane Espenson wrote the next episode and she really wants Emma and Hook together. So i’m sure next week will be even better 😀Sorry that this is long, I just had to get it out. 🙂
@magic bean wrote:
@Maiqu20 wrote:
Well I disagree with you but that’s what these forums are for if we’d all have the same idea it would be boring..
About the Your Heart is Rotten…it’s because Hook does think his heart is rotten not literally but figuratively
He didn’t try to defend himself because he felt like he deserved to die, he’s not afraid of death he welcomes it, he wants to be with Milah.. He could have killed Belle many times during the episode but he didn’t and even when he shot her it was someplace he knew it wouldn’t kill her.
His attitude is just a mask, the man beyond the mask is broken. His revenge is basically done, Rumple lost Belle in a way..
About Archie
We know Archie knows about Bae and that he had a bad relationship with Rumple (told in the stranger) but I don’t think he told Hook about Bae, I think he might have mentioned Belle (not anything specific though), Hook already knew about Baelfire (he’s also Milah’s son remember) and he knew Milah made the shawlI couldn’t have said it better myself!
I think in a way he blames himself for Milah’s death because he couldn’t protect her. Even when fighting the giant he calls himself the worst human around.
I personally don’t understand why people still believe that he is ‘evil’. The way I see it is if someone killed someone I love, I would not stop until I get even with them and get my revenge. I mean, it’s almost impossible to just say, ‘Oh they were just killed. Oh well life goes on..’, that’s not realistic.
Hook is so self-loathing, that its taken over him.
But what I have noticed is that there are 2 sides to Hook-Captain Hook and Killian Jones. In this peisode we saw Hook, but whenever he is around Emma (such as ep6) we see Killian Jones who opens up to Emma and can beat down her walls.‘He could have killed Belle many times during the episode but he didn’t and even when he shot her it was someplace he knew it wouldn’t kill her. ‘
Exactly. Yes he did shoot Belle who is an innocent by stander. But he didn’t kill her, which is what he wanted. I’ve seen some people say that what he has done is worse than killing her. But I strongly disagree. At least Rumple’s love is still alive and breathing. Over time her memory will come back, either through Rumple’s magic or something that will trigger he memory (which I think might be the chipped cup).We know Archie knows about Bae and that he had a bad relationship with Rumple (told in the stranger) but I don’t think he told Hook about Bae, I think he might have mentioned Belle (not anything specific though), Hook already knew about Baelfire (he’s also Milah’s son remember) and he knew Milah made the shawl
I never thought of that. That’s very possible, because as far as I know he knew nothing about Rumple and Belles’ relationship. And I highly doubt that he would’ve harmed Bae if he had the chance because he is Milah’s son, like he didn’t want to burn the shawl.
Something that really stood out to me though, was that he acted like he needed the shawl because Milah had made it and touched it. I think that over time Milah began to slip away from him, and she became nothing more than a memory, which is also now starting to slip away. And I think this is why he so desperately wants to be reunted with her, because its as if even her face has faded from his memory.
Despite this episode breaking my heart, its better to get it over with now then having it dragged on. Because now Hook can re-evaluate everything and try to found something that is worth fighting for (Emma). It will take time, but its going to be interesting because we get to see more behind the ‘mask’ he puts up.
Also, jane Espenson wrote the next episode and she really wants Emma and Hook together. So i’m sure next week will be even better 😀 Sorry that this is long, I just had to get it out. 🙂The part underlined: Made me very happy. If Hook survived that wreck, I’ll be very happy. Very, very happy.
Jane Espenson must be a woman of a lot of wonderful talent, and great taste.
What if, instead of being suicidal, Hook jumped in front of the car, because he figured he had a better chance of surviving the oncoming collision than Mr. Gold’s magical fireball?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The car incident isn’t the only thing factoring this theory. It’s also his refusal to fight back when he was beaten by Rumple, and some of the things he said to Belle below deck on the ship.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
What if, instead of being suicidal, Hook jumped in front of the car, because he figured he had a better chance of surviving the oncoming collision than Mr. Gold’s magical fireball?
He wants to be reunited with Milah and he has nothing left to live for….right now *hint Emma*. He was happy when he thought that he was going to die. But I do think that being hit by a car would be less painful then being burnt to death.
@EvilQueen wrote:
I reckon his heart was cursed with Cora’s help or something like that so that Rumple would die if he tried to do anything with that? Or even not by Cora by but someone else
I don’t think he’d have thought his heart needed to be cursed, because as far as he was concerned, it was already wrecked beyond hope.
– remember the scene when he walks down the bean stalk and argues with Cora, then finally challenges her to kill him? He’s not suicidal but he’s not afraid of dying. Or of what might happen if anyone does try to kill him.
My impression of Hook goading her in that scene was that he knew she wouldn’t kill him, because she still needed him.
After listing to the official podcast for The Outsider, I’ve got a new little crackpot theory, (which I’m not entirely committed to just yet, but will throw it out there anyway) that perhaps Cora’s heart is in Hook. K&H were asked in the podcast if it’d be revealed where Cora’s heart is hidden, and they said “absolutely, this season.” From what we’ve seen, she didn’t have many possessions on her, but she had Hook, even though, frankly, she probably could have figured out getting to SB solo.
The main problem with that idea would be that I also think Hook has to still have his own heart, otherwise he wouldn’t still feel such depth of passion for Milah. Would it be too far fetched for him to have two hearts in there? And his fearlessness with Cora was because he knew she wouldn’t risk ripping out and squishing the wrong heart by accident. Perhaps? Maybe this is ultimately how Cora will be defeated, by someone removing her heart from Hook’s chest and crushing it? Only two people who can pull out hearts are Regina and Rumple, and I doubt Hook would want either of them fishing around in his chest. It’d be a good way for Regina to prove her worth though, if she rids the town of Cora by doing that. (I swear, one little comment from K&H and my imagination goes into overdrive. Talk about a lost cause. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread topic. 😛 )
I’ve also entertained the idea that his heart is locked up in a box somewhere, Davy Jones style, (because I can’t believe they’d give a man of the sea a mundane name like Jones unless he was somehow tied to Davy Jones), but having seen how he’s still holding onto Milah in The Outsider, I think boyfriend has to still have his heart beating in his chest, because he’s in such stark contrast to how poor, heartless Graham was.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
What if, instead of being suicidal, Hook jumped in front of the car, because he figured he had a better chance of surviving the oncoming collision than Mr. Gold’s magical fireball?
Hook had an expression of pure glee when Rumple had that fireball. Seriously, the guy started grinning from ear to ear like he couldn’t wait for it. I don’t think it’s a just a case of him having a deathwish, I think it’s specifically that Rumple has to be the one to kill him. When Hook dies, he’s going to go and be with Milah for eternity. It’s the final insult in his revenge against Rumple that he will be the one that sends Hook to be with her forever.
Rumple didn’t complete the job on the boat, despite Hook’s taunting, so he had to go and taunt him some more. If he was gonna get Rumple to complete the deed, he couldn’t have Belle yapping in his ear, begging him to stop. So Hook eliminated Belle from the equation, (though as others have noted, he didn’t actually kill her, even though he easily could have), and in doing so, gave Rumple that little extra push to finish him off. It was a great plan really, until that car came along and messed it up.
I wonder if the car crash was orchestrated by Cora? Maybe she realised what Hook was up to, and didn’t want him dead, (which leads back my crackpot theory of her heart being in him), so she used the car (which was already conveniently approaching) to intervene?
@Maiqu20 wrote:
You can’t say Hook is evil and then praise Rumple just like you can’t praise Hook and then go against Rumple..
They have both done evil things but they are both broken…
Indeed. Which makes the scenes with them together so powerful IMO. My heart breaks for them both.
I can’t decide whether Hook deliberately jumped in front of the car or whether he was trying to get out of the way when the car hit him. Killing himself before Rumple could would be a way to deprive Rumple of his revenge. However, I think Hook would want to stick around to see the misery he has caused Rumple.
Causing Belle to lose her memory is actually crueller than killing her. Whereas Hook lost Milah and her dying words were “I love you”, Rumple has lost Belle yet has to see her walk around with no memory of him or their love. He’s so close yet so far from her. Hook wanted Belle to lose her memory because he wanted to make Rumple suffer.
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