Hook is Suicidal

[hellraiser-89]

I don’t think Hook is suicidal. He wanted Rumple to kill him to show to Belle how evil Rumple is. He wanted Rumple to kill him to make a point, he didn’t want to take his own life, otherwise he would have done that.

[Slurpeez]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

I don’t think Hook is suicidal. He wanted Rumple to kill him to show to Belle how evil Rumple is. He wanted Rumple to kill him to make a point, he didn’t want to take his own life, otherwise he would have done that.

I concur. I don’t think Hook is suicidal, just a tad nihilistic.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[onceuponamirror]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

I don’t think Hook is suicidal. He wanted Rumple to kill him to show to Belle how evil Rumple is. He wanted Rumple to kill him to make a point, he didn’t want to take his own life, otherwise he would have done that.

I concur. I don’t think Hook is suicidal, just a tad nihilistic.

But Hook hates/doesn’t respect cowards. He always has. Suicide itself is cowardly, so he can’t literally kill himself. Instead, he wants to be killed so that it is an “honorable death,” (in his eyes) so he goads people into it, particularly when he challenges Cora to see if she’ll kill him in 2×08. He’s waited 300 years, he can’t just end his own life at that point. He needs to feel like he’s equated to something, like delaying death wasn’t all for not (again, in his opinion).

And I definitely don’t think he’s nihilistic–that’s the opposite of having a code, which he’s proven he does have. He’s definitely suicidal–TWICE he asks Rumple to kill him.

Somewhere in the past 300 years, Hook’s vengeance turned into a death wish. I don’t think he was ever wholly conscious of that fact–Hook didn’t know he wanted to die until he realized he had nothing to keep him alive.

Hook is impulsive and was improvising the way through his revenge–he was always just trying to get on the same level as Rump and work it out as he went. But when he was actually faced against Rumple without the option of killing him, all he wanted was to be put out of his misery.

[magic bean]

onceuponamirror: I agree. Hook even said so himself that he wants to be reunited with Milah. Its very obvious that he is unable to live with the constant pain of her death anymore. He is not a coward- far from it. He lives by his code, as you said, so he wants to die in battle/while fighting so it isnt cowardly.
So yes..he is most definately suicidal.

[craxyfox]

@onceuponamirror wrote:

But Hook hates/doesn’t respect cowards. He always has. Suicide itself is cowardly, so he can’t literally kill himself. Instead, he wants to be killed so that it is an “honorable death,” (in his eyes) so he goads people into it, particularly when he challenges Cora to see if she’ll kill him in 2×08. He’s waited 300 years, he can’t just end his own life at that point. He needs to feel like he’s equated to something, like delaying death wasn’t all for not (again, in his opinion).

And I definitely don’t think he’s nihilistic–that’s the opposite of having a code, which he’s proven he does have. He’s definitely suicidal–TWICE he asks Rumple to kill him.

Somewhere in the past 300 years, Hook’s vengeance turned into a death wish. I don’t think he was ever wholly conscious of that fact–Hook didn’t know he wanted to die until he realized he had nothing to keep him alive.

Hook is impulsive and was improvising the way through his revenge–he was always just trying to get on the same level as Rump and work it out as he went. But when he was actually faced against Rumple without the option of killing him, all he wanted was to be put out of his misery.

This is very well said 🙂

[rubyphoenix]

I was reading this post and wasn’t sure what to make of this “Hook is suicidal” claim, but then this popped into my mind. Hook had a gun with him while Rumple was beating him up. He could’ve easily used that to kill Rumple, but he didn’t. So, yes, he definitely wanted to die.

[hellraiser-89]

Rumple has his magic now. He can’t be killed unless with the dagger. Hook knew that so why would he have shot at Rumple knowing it wouldn’t have effect?

[magic bean]

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

Rumple has his magic now. He can’t be killed unless with the dagger. Hook knew that so why would he have shot at Rumple knowing it wouldn’t have effect?

He had a hook and a hand.. Even when Rumple put his hand on his chest and leaned in he could’ve very easily wither punched him or stabbed him with his hook. Both would’ve hurt Rumple enough for Hook to get out of that situation. Even if he knew that shooting him would not have had effect, in my opinion, it would be a natural instinct to do whatever possible and use whatever in reach to get out of a situation such as this.
The fact that he didn’t even try anything, not even lifting his hook, (in my opinion) means that in that moment he realised that killing Rumple or hurting him as he hurt Hook would not satisfy him enough and take away his constant pain. I think in that he moment he realised that he was perfectly happy being killed by Rumple and being reunited with Milah.

I agree that Hook wanted to show Belle how evil Rumple is, which was probably another motive. But I think his main goal was to be killed.

And this is completely off topic, but I was wondering..do you think that Rumple actually loved Milah? Because I don’t know if his anger at Hook is because he (in his eyes) took Milah away from his son, or took his wife that he loved. 😕

[ceege]

@Phee wrote:

After listing to the official podcast for The Outsider, I’ve got a new little crackpot theory, (which I’m not entirely committed to just yet, but will throw it out there anyway) that perhaps Cora’s heart is in Hook. K&H were asked in the podcast if it’d be revealed where Cora’s heart is hidden, and they said “absolutely, this season.” From what we’ve seen, she didn’t have many possessions on her, but she had Hook, even though, frankly, she probably could have figured out getting to SB solo.

Maybe this is ultimately how Cora will be defeated, by someone removing her heart from Hook’s chest and crushing it? Only two people who can pull out hearts are Regina and Rumple, and I doubt Hook would want either of them fishing around in his chest. It’d be a good way for Regina to prove her worth though, if she rids the town of Cora by doing that. (I swear, one little comment from K&H and my imagination goes into overdrive. Talk about a lost cause. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread topic. 😛 )

I like this idea!

Now, we know Emma also has magic, so maybe she will be the one to remove Cora heart from Hook. This might even help their romance 🙂

[obisgirl]

@magic bean wrote:

And this is completely off topic, but I was wondering..do you think that Rumple actually loved Milah? Because I don’t know if his anger at Hook is because he (in his eyes) took Milah away from his son, or took his wife that he loved. 😕

I don’t know. Very good question though. I think it was the first, although there could have been a time that he loved Milah too.

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