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@PriceofMagic wrote:
@Oncewatcher wrote:
Read my post. It directly addresses that. Sorry for it’s length, but it’s worth it.
I’m in the process of reading it. 🙂
I get that Hook is your favourite character and you want him to stick around. He’s not mine, I don’t really care what happens to him. I like him but I don’t love him.
I don’t want them to redeem every single villain that pops up on this show. They’re in the process of redeeming Rumple and Regina. For me, that’s enough. If they redeem Hook, why not redeem Cora as well?
I don’t want them to say all of Hook’s behaviour is because he wasn’t loved. I don’t want the reason he became a pirate and decided to take revenge against Rumple is because his daddy didn’t hug him enough as a kid. Hook is a bully and that is before Rumple killed Milah.
Hook is one of those characters where the badder he is the more you love him. They can’t keep him at full on villainy if they want him to survive on the show but at the same time it wouldn’t be right to turn him into one of the good guys.
Because we’re not going to agree whether Hook should stay or go, I’m going to change the subject slightly.
One of Hook’s main reasons for revenge against Rumple is Milah’s death. Do think Hook and Milah had True Love or was it just love?
I’d like to see them try to redeem every character on the show, at least once. Being fair and forthcoming, maybe the reason for my perspective is because of the beliefs I have about what constitutes a “savior”. Where is the saving, if there is no offer for grace? For me, from my own perspective, I don’t see a “savior”, unless the “salvation” includes a chance for redemption among not just the “good guys”, but also to the proverbial tax collectors, theives, murderers, liars, etc. who are the ones that really need compassionate opportunities to move beyond their own status quos; to have their chains broken. In other words, for the “savior” to highlight potential in the very people who the common person in Storybrooke might reject, and never think twice about that person’s possibilities and potential for being more than what they’ve tagged them with.
I think that’s the root of it all, for me.
To answer your other question: Easily as Milah left Rumple, I’d have to guess not. At least, on her part. There’s a saying I know about people who date married people: If they’ll do it with you (cheat on their spouse by dating you), they’ll do it to you (cheat on you). Milah had a problem with selfishness, and it manifested itself, in part, with a lack of loyalty. Hook would have eventually been victim to that, when her heart became restless again, and it would have. As for Hook, I think he really did love Milah. I am not sure it was truly mutual. I think they both filled a need they both had, for different reasons, “in the moment”.
[adrotate group="5"]@Oncewatcher wrote:
To answer your other question: Easily as Milah left Rumple, I’d have to guess not. At least, on her part. There’s a saying I know about people who date married people: If they’ll do it with you (cheat on their spouse by dating you), they’ll do it to you (cheat on you). Milah had a problem with selfishness, and it manifested itself, in part, with a lack of loyalty. Hook would have eventually been victim to that, when her heart became restless again, and it would have. As for Hook, I think he really did love Milah. I am not sure it was truly mutual. I think they both filled a need they both had, for different reasons, “in the moment”.
That’s an interesting thought. Hook and Milah’s “love” was based on Hook fulfilling Milah’s need for adventure. We know Hook is a bit of a womaniser so perhaps he didn’t want to spend his entire life hopping between women. When Milah was dying she told Hook that she loved him but he never said it back to her so perhaps the role Milah played for Hook is that he could return to a warm bed every night.
Perhaps Hook’s revenge against Rumple is more about his hand than Milah?
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Keeper of Felix@PriceofMagic wrote:
@Oncewatcher wrote:
To answer your other question: Easily as Milah left Rumple, I’d have to guess not. At least, on her part. There’s a saying I know about people who date married people: If they’ll do it with you (cheat on their spouse by dating you), they’ll do it to you (cheat on you). Milah had a problem with selfishness, and it manifested itself, in part, with a lack of loyalty. Hook would have eventually been victim to that, when her heart became restless again, and it would have. As for Hook, I think he really did love Milah. I am not sure it was truly mutual. I think they both filled a need they both had, for different reasons, “in the moment”.
That’s an interesting thought. Hook and Milah’s “love” was based on Hook fulfilling Milah’s need for adventure. We know Hook is a bit of a womaniser so perhaps he didn’t want to spend his entire life hopping between women. When Milah was dying she told Hook that she loved him but he never said it back to her so perhaps the role Milah played for Hook is that he could return to a warm bed every night.
Perhaps Hook’s revenge against Rumple is more about his hand than Milah?
I think his revenge is more than being about his hand, and more than even being about Milah. Like said previously, I think Rumple wears many faces Hook has stamped on him. I think Milah’s place in his life was more than a woman in his bed. I think he used her to fill some sort of a hole in his life. Maybe, one he doesn’t see conciously on the surface. I do think he used her to fill that hole for the wrong reasons, and again, put somebody else’s face (maybe the faces of several people) in his life on her; that she became a “restitution” to him in some respect, and this wouldn’t have been fair to her. When that got taken away, something in me just doesn’t believe that Rumple was the only person he was mad at.
I think some may be a little bit too quick to stamp Hook with a label, and cast judgement on him. He is a lot deeper than what he seems to be on the surface. If his story can be treated like an onion; if the outer layers can be peeled away, I think there’d be a huge opportunity for a fantastic back-story about what led to him becoming a pirate, in the first place. You can’t know where you’re going, unless you know where you are, so that’s where everything that made Hook “Hook” began, and is the root of where his (rocky, and sometimes backslidden) redemption story can begin.
Man, I must have watched way too much Dr. Phil.
Oncewatcher, if ABC reads this page and doesn’t take your comments to heart, they are hopeless fools.
Sorry if my post started such a large discussion. I was just thinking out loud some ideas I thought the writers could do with Hook in Storybrooke.
I think Hook’s fate depends on Rumpel. To me, I don’t think Rumpel perceives Hook as a big threat. I think he finds Cora more of a threat. Rumpel tries to find an angle with every person he meets so it is possible that he will find a way to use Hook so he keeps him in Storybrooke or else Hook somehow no longer becomes a threat to him and Belle (i.e. lose his memory).
This may be a little more far fetched but Hook could align himself with Emma/Charmings. He would have to go against Cora in order to do that. Emma didn’t seem too upset when Hook said he wanted to kill Rumpel. I could see Hook form an alliance with the good guys against Cora if it benefits himself in some way. That would give him some protection against Rumpel.
As for his redemption, I wouldn’t rule it out. The creators always state that they don’t write pure evil villians. So I wouldn’t put it past them to eventually do this with his character.
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@AllThatGlitters wrote:
Sorry if my post started such a large discussion. I was just thinking out loud some ideas I thought the writers could do with Hook in Storybrooke.
I think Hook’s fate depends on Rumpel. To me, I don’t think Rumpel perceives Hook as a big threat. I think he finds Cora more of a threat. Rumpel tries to find an angle with every person he meets so it is possible that he will find a way to use Hook so he keeps him in Storybrooke or else Hook somehow no longer becomes a threat to him and Belle (i.e. lose his memory).
This may be a little more far fetched but Hook could align himself with Emma/Charmings. He would have to go against Cora in order to do that. Emma didn’t seem too upset when Hook said he wanted to kill Rumpel. I could see Hook form an alliance with the good guys against Cora if it benefits himself in some way. That would give him some protection against Rumpel.
As for his redemption, I wouldn’t rule it out. The creators always state that they don’t write pure evil villians. So I wouldn’t put it past them to eventually do this with his character.
You’re absolutely right.
Oncewatcher: You’re right too (but remember: Bees, and honey…. 😉 )
@AllThatGlitters wrote:
This may be a little more far fetched but Hook could align himself with Emma/Charmings. He would have to go against Cora in order to do that. Emma didn’t seem too upset when Hook said he wanted to kill Rumpel. I could see Hook form an alliance with the good guys against Cora if it benefits himself in some way. That would give him some protection against Rumpel.
That could be an interesting dynamic if Hook became part of TeamCharmings, and maybe not completely far fetched. He did a couple of favours for Emma the last time they saw each other, getting Aurora’s heart back, and letting Emma win the swordfight. Of course, he didn’t really lose anything by losing that fight, because he had his bean as a backup plan even if he lost the compass, but still, he did help Emma and Snow get home, and that was even after Emma had left him with the Giant, so they may feel that they owe him for that, and may be open to aligning with him in SB, should the need arise. It could help his case that he knows stuff about Cora, and everyone will be wanting to take her out, so he could be a valuable asset to have on their side.
That could also allow for a bit of a love triangle situation, (I know, I know *groan* everyone hates love triangles, but bear with me here ;)), if Hook’s trying to crack onto Emma while they’re working together, and if Neal is also in town by then and hoping to reconcile with her, and Emma being stuck in the middle, not necessarily feeling ready to get involved with either of them, (because she’s got her hands full dealing with her kid who is pissed because she’d told him his dad was dead). Add to that, if Neal is Bae, the emo conflict going on with him and Rumple, and trying to decide if he’s willing to reconcile with his father, but wanting to side with Emma, in part to stay close to her so Hook doesn’t get his claws in while they’re working together. Could lead to some juicy drama as everyone tries to make sense of their various relationships.
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@AllThatGlitters wrote:
This may be a little more far fetched but Hook could align himself with Emma/Charmings. He would have to go against Cora in order to do that. Emma didn’t seem too upset when Hook said he wanted to kill Rumpel. I could see Hook form an alliance with the good guys against Cora if it benefits himself in some way. That would give him some protection against Rumpel.
That could be an interesting dynamic if Hook became part of TeamCharmings, and maybe not completely far fetched. He did a couple of favours for Emma the last time they saw each other, getting Aurora’s heart back, and letting Emma win the swordfight. Of course, he didn’t really lose anything by losing that fight, because he had his bean as a backup plan even if he lost the compass, but still, he did help Emma and Snow get home, and that was even after Emma had left him with the Giant, so they may feel that they owe him for that, and may be open to aligning with him in SB, should the need arise. It could help his case that he knows stuff about Cora, and everyone will be wanting to take her out, so he could be a valuable asset to have on their side.
That could also allow for a bit of a love triangle situation, (I know, I know *groan* everyone hates love triangles, but bear with me here ;)), if Hook’s trying to crack onto Emma while they’re working together, and if Neal is also in town by then and hoping to reconcile with her, and Emma being stuck in the middle, not necessarily feeling ready to get involved with either of them, (because she’s got her hands full dealing with her kid who is pissed because she’d told him his dad was dead). Add to that, if Neal is Bae, the emo conflict going on with him and Rumple, and trying to decide if he’s willing to reconcile with his father, but wanting to side with Emma, in part to stay close to her so Hook doesn’t get his claws in while they’re working together. Could lead to some juicy drama as everyone tries to make sense of their various relationships.
There was talk about how he falls with the righteous crowd which i've always thought that was the Charmings..
We know he is intrigued by Emma and that he is not good at the villain thing (You can’t tell me Hook is a bigger villain than Cora, Regina, Rumple or George, he sucks at being a villain)..it’s maybe because deep down he doesn’t want to be one.. So him teaming up with TeamCharming is something I really think will happen
Ohh I def think there will be a sort of triangle but I don’t know if Emma would ever go for Neal again
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