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Tonight we got a small glimpse into Hook’s history with Neverland and its inhabitants. During the fight between Hook and Felix, Hook even made mention of Rufio and “what [he] did to him.” In the movie Hook Captain Hook kills Rufio. However in 222, Hook history with the Lost Ones seemed one of grudging acceptance. Did a feud between these two sets of people break out? And when? And why? Is it over Bae? Hooks knows a lot about the island itself for someone who said that stepping foot on NL meant you could never leave.
What do you think Hook’s history is with this place, Peter Pan and the Lost Ones?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Was he speaking of Rufio? I thought maybe Pan. I mean, Pan seems welcoming of people to the island but for him and Hook to be enemies, he had to have done something bad to him.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI do believe he was speaking of Rufio. A lot of people in the chat told me it was Rufio. I’m thinking that Hook killed him and this is the only reference they can make it it since Rufio is owned by another company.
So did Hook go looking for Bae? And did this incur the wrath of the Lost Ones and PP? Because Hook knows that the whole island is a trap, but our only look at Hook and NL before this was just him on his ship.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I really want to see more of Hook/Pan/Lost Boys. This is his fairytale so I think he should have a major role here and a strong relationship with Pan. I would be extremely disappointed if they short changed the Hook/Pan relationship on the show.
It would be interesting if Bae is what set in motion the bad blood between Hook and Pan.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
Was he speaking of Rufio?
Yep. “You remember what I did to Rufio.” And Felix almost seemed to growl in response, so I’m guessing what he did to Rufio was rather not nice!
Loved how Pan said, “Bad form. I’d expect more from you, Captain.” Good/bad form is traditionally a huge thing for Hook, and Pan saying that to him all smugly was like the ultimate insult.
I’ve always hoped that Hook made a rescue attempt of Bae, and right now I can’t think of anything else that would have inspired him to set foot on land and explore the entire island, even seeking out Pan’s camp.
Loved how Pan said, “Bad form. I’d expect more from you, Captain.” Good/bad form is traditionally a huge thing for Hook, and Pan saying that to him all smugly was like the ultimate insult.
Yeah I liked that part. Those two apparently are going to be enemies but have a ONCE twist.
I’ve always hoped that Hook made a rescue attempt of Bae, and right now I can’t think of anything else that would have inspired him to set foot on land and explore the entire island, even seeking out Pan’s camp.
Unless it was a way out of NL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"SaraTN asked this in Chat:
Sarah_TN: Question for everyone: Both Emma and Hook share the aspect that they grew up without their parents. They were both abandoned. Shouldn’t Hook be hearing the children crying too? I mean maybe that’s something they will address later, but it hit me that since only people who’ve been through what they have can hear that sound, that they are the only two in that group who will hear it.
I stared replying then realized she’d probably logged off since I hadn’t checked the time stamps!
We don’t know Hook’s true backstory, only the bit he said to Bae about having been abandoned by his father too. What he says his father and he boarded a ship with plans to travel the realms, but when he woke up in the morning his father was a fugitive and had fled in the night to avoid capture. This implies Hook was old enough to remember some of the tale, but we don’t know if he was Bae’s age, or Felix’s or a little tyke barely able to remember.
We also know nothing of his mother, which is funny because that scene starts off with Hook saying to Bae something along that line that Bae had already told him his mother’s fate. Hook never talked about his mother, why she wasn’t with him and his father.
Maybe there’s a difference between not having parents because they died and having ones who choose to leave you, who abandon you. If you think about it, being an orphan is not enough, as Snow, Charming and Regina are now orphans, but it happened in vastly different ways (especially for Regina!) at different enough stages of their lives that they were not forced to grow up wondering if they were ever loved (regardless of how twisted and empty the love of one of those parents might be, again for Regina), the way Emma was. Perhaps you need BOTH parents to abandon you to grow up, or if it is just one, that it happens at a young enough age.
Or it could be that Pan just set up the sound for Emma to hear. We can’t really draw a lot of conclusions.
On Hook’s mother–in the Disney Jr. Jake and the NL pirates, Mama Hook is a fearsome pirate in her own right, and is sort of Hook’s inspiration. He’s totally a mama’s boy but he is written for comic effect. For this Killian Jones version, perhaps that is already touched on by Milah being a lady pirate but they could possibly show him having been adopted as a son by a lady pirate after his father abandoned him, We don’t know, and I’m excited to see what A&E’s take on how he became a pirate and more of his relationship with Pan and NL.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Emma’s abandonment is rather unique in that she never knew her parents at all. In Neverland (traditionally) the Lost Boys don’t even remember what a mother is. That’s how they are alike, they’ve never known their mothers. Hook, Rumple and Bae for example all knew their parents but were left by them at different ages.
If I had to guess, I would say Emma heard them because of her uniquness but also because Pan wanted her to.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Just from the couple of mentions Hook made of Pan it really seems like there is a lot of history there. I use subtitles when I see the the show and Hook definitely said Rufio.
We don’t know Hook’s true backstory, only the bit he said to Bae about having been abandoned by his father too. What he says his father and he boarded a ship with plans to travel the realms, but when he woke up in the morning his father was a fugitive and had fled in the night to avoid capture. This implies Hook was old enough to remember some of the tale, but we don’t know if he was Bae’s age, or Felix’s or a little tyke barely able to remember.
I’ve said this before, but I’m skeptical about the story of Hook’s father being true. Not only it was awfully similar to Rumple’s own that we were going to see in Manhattan before it got cut, but Hook had also expressed the intent to get the secret to kill Rumple from Bae in that very episode, so I can’t help but think he concocted that in order to get Bae to spill the beans. I’m waiting for Good Form to confirm its validity before I accept it as the truth.
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