Hook’s Revenge

[antbee]

@EvilQueen wrote:

I actually think that Hook DOES know about the dagger. He said himself, he won’t stop until he finds a way to kill Rumplestiltskin and he was looking for the answer in Neverland.
Because he’s not in Neverland any more and, in fact, he can’t wait to get to SB and meet Rumple again, it makes me think he already knows how to kill Rumplestiltskin and of all the ways WE know, you could do this with the dagger and the dagger only.

I think he knows about the Dagger too; hence, the tattoo that he now has on his arm.

And in regards to the dagger, I have a feeling Cora told Hook about the dagger. Cora was one of Rumpel’s pupils, so I wouldn’t be surprised if she somehow gained knowledge of its existence.

This is my head canon for too now. It would make sense since Cora is the Miller’s daughter in the original Rumpelstiltskin story that the way she bested him was finding out about the Dagger since apparently learning his real name doesn’t really have any control of him that we know of right now. So besides wanting revenge on Cora and wanting to turn Regina into the person that would enact the Curse, I could see him wanting Cora out of the way because she was one of the few that knew about where he got his powers from.

So my theory is Hook knows about it and will stick around SB trying to find it and, while on his search, he will stumble upon Belle and will realise that a much better opportunity has just arrived. Not that he will kill her – I think he wouldn’t do it, out of the shear respect for his Milha but he might find a way to separate the two…

I don’t know if he knows about Belle or not. It seems unlikely but Jefferson knew about Belle and Rumpel too, so it’s possible that Hook found out somehow too. Either way, I do think he will kill her if he thought it would hurt Rumpel, but I don’t think he’ll do so right away. He’ll try to make Rumpel suffer as much as possible, and then eventually kill Belle and watch Rumpel witness it.

I said this in another topic, but what if Hook orders Rumpel (with his dagger) to kill Belle himself? I’m not saying he would do it, though that would be craaazy epic…but its a cool idea. It would be cool if he like broke his curse with his true love for belle before he killed her.

I could definitely see this happening. I don’t believe it will work because I believe that Belle will get a happy ending by the end of the series, but I think this idea would be one that would cause the most amount of pain to Rumpel. Either this plan or something perhaps involving Bae, that is if Hook finds Bae before Rumpel does, and making Rumpel have to choose between Belle and Bae or having Bae be the one that gets his heart torn out by Rumpel. I’m thinking that Hook targeting Belle is more fitting though because Belle is Rumpel’s true love like Milha’s was Hook’s. Plus, it could go either way how Hook feels about Bae. He might hate him because his father is Rumpel, but it’s also possible that he loved Milha enough that he wouldn’t want to harm Bae directly.

More importantly if Neal is Bae, I think he has enough problems to deal with before they use the Rumpel has to choose between Belle and Bae card. I’m sure it will come eventually, but I think it’s too soon to use it since it feels more like a last season going out with a bang type of idea.

[cherish]

Can someone please explain to me why Rumpel needs to choose between Belle and Baelfire? I’ve read that theory before, and I still don’t understand it. Most people are capable of loving their significant other and their child. So, why does Rumpel need to choose? The show didn’t force Regina to choose between Henry and Daniel, and the show didn’t force Snow to choose between Charming and Emma. So, why does Rumpel need to choose between his true love and his own flesh and blood?

[snowfalls]

@Cherish wrote:

Can someone please explain to me why Rumpel needs to choose between Belle and Baelfire? I’ve read that theory before, and I still don’t understand it. Most people are capable of loving their significant other and their child. So, why does Rumpel need to choose? The show didn’t force Regina to choose between Henry and Daniel, and the show didn’t force Snow to choose between Charming and Emma. So, why does Rumpel need to choose between his true love and his own flesh and blood?

I don’t understand it either. I’m pretty sure Rumpel is capable of loving both Belle and Bae. So, I highly doubt Rumpel will be willing to choose between them. So, the idea of Rumpel choosing between the two of them… I’m not sure if that makes any sense. I don’t think Rumpel is willing to make that decision, and he shouldn’t have to. Personally, I think Rumpel would find a way to outsmart Hook with magic or something so that he can keep both.

And no matter who he chooses, the other one isn’t going to be happy. Belle isn’t going to admire Rumpel for sacrificing his son for her, and Bae isn’t going to like that he sacrificed his true love for him either. These are two very noble and compassionate people, so Rumpel choosing between them isn’t going to make either of them happy. I think Belle wants Rumpel to find happiness with his son, and I think Bae would be relieved to see that there was at least one drop of humanity left in his father for him to fall in love with Belle.

[the fairest]

I agree. Baelfire didn’t want his father to give up on love or happiness, he wanted him to give up magic. So, Rumpel giving up Belle isn’t going to accomplish anything. In fact, I think it would disappoint Bae. It would only remind him of what his father did to him: Giving up his loved ones.

And needless to say, Rumpel giving up on Bae definitely isn’t going to accomplish anything. Rumpel spent 300 years creating the curse just so that he could find him. So, Rumpel is going to turn his back on Bae either.

[Ziera]

@Phee wrote:

Old Rumple would have just attacked. SB Rumple indirectly attacked Regina using the wraith, right after Belle had asked him not to go after her, and we saw how well that went. Belle’s not a fan of violent and/or magical revenge plots, and Rumple would know that if he goes that route again with Hook, it’d just serve to push Belle further away. So he’ll really have no choice but to keep his cool, no matter how badly he wants to unleash some hardcore fury on Hook.

Rumple could try to calmly warn Belle about Hook. But if Hook keeps his cool and is charming enough, he may be able to convince her that Rumple is overreacting. Which would just serve to infuriate Rumple even more, pushing him towards breaking point. If Rumple tells Belle, “He stole my wife,” Belle would hardly think that grounds for killing him, and wouldn’t accept it if Rumple wanted to attack him for that. Then Belle could go ask Hook about it in an effort to find out as much about the situation as possible, and he could very well counter with, “Guess he left out the part where he then killed her right in front of me, huh?”

Can’t wait to see what direction they go with this. Hook has major potential to mess things up between Rumbelle, and as much as I love Rumbelle, I also love that Rumple is having to work for it to live up to Belle’s expectations.

Okay- to your first paragraph…
Well then this goes to the question of what Rumple values more. I personally think that he would rather them not be together than her dead or hurt. I’ve said this before…but yeah. He would protect her no matter what she thought about it….and thats what I like in him.

Someone said this before, but its going to depend on how honest Rumple is with Belle. I don’t think he would say ‘He stole my wife’ without saying the rest, for fear of Hook doing just that. Either he said it all, or he didn’t say it.
But it would be pretty cool, and I can definitely see your thoughts coming to play in the show.

Me too! Exciting. :DD

@PriceofMagic wrote:

A thought occurred to me. What if instead of going after Belle, who is going to remain loyal to Rumple, Hook goes after Bae instead. Rumple wants to reunite with Bae more than anything. If Hook were to tell Bae what really happened to his mother and how Rumple killed her, that’s going to delay Rumple’s and Bae’s reunion to at least another season. Bae wouldn’t want anything to do with Rumple which would hurt Rumple in the worst possible way. It would be like Rumple having his heart ripped out but not literally.

I don’t personally think that Bae will enter this…It seems that if Hook went after a loved one, it would be Belle. Its too perfect.

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

[Daniel J. Lewis]

@SnowFallsღ wrote:

I don’t understand it either. I’m pretty sure Rumpel is capable of loving both Belle and Bae. So, I highly doubt Rumpel will be willing to choose between them. So, the idea of Rumpel choosing between the two of them… I’m not sure if that makes any sense. I don’t think Rumpel is willing to make that decision, and he shouldn’t have to. Personally, I think Rumpel would find a way to outsmart Hook with magic or something so that he can keep both.

And no matter who he chooses, the other one isn’t going to be happy. Belle isn’t going to admire Rumpel for sacrificing his son for her, and Bae isn’t going to like that he sacrificed his true love for him either. These are two very noble and compassionate people, so Rumpel choosing between them isn’t going to make either of them happy. I think Belle wants Rumpel to find happiness with his son, and I think Bae would be relieved to see that there was at least one drop of humanity left in his father for him to fall in love with Belle.

I completely agree.

[PriceofMagic]

@Ziera117 wrote:

I don’t personally think that Bae will enter this…It seems that if Hook went after a loved one, it would be Belle. Its too perfect.

Exactly. Rumple’s going to be too focussed on protecting Belle from Hook. Rumple may not notice Bae entering Storybrooke and may not even recognise him. If Hook figures out who Bae is before Rumple does, then Hook can poison Bae against Rumple. Bae has seen Rumple kill people so he can’t deny the possibility that Hook is telling him the truth about Milah’s death.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

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@Cherish wrote:

Can someone please explain to me why Rumpel needs to choose between Belle and Baelfire? I’ve read that theory before, and I still don’t understand it. Most people are capable of loving their significant other and their child. So, why does Rumpel need to choose? The show didn’t force Regina to choose between Henry and Daniel, and the show didn’t force Snow to choose between Charming and Emma. So, why does Rumpel need to choose between his true love and his own flesh and blood?

I’m not sure that it will happen, but I guess it’s just one of those ideas that’s floated around so much in fandom like Bae being Henry’s father that I think that it’s possible. True, no one has really had to make that kind of Sophie’s Choice yet, but I’ve seen some viewers upset that both Belle and Bae are still alive whereas every other major character has had to deal with losing a loved one. So I think that the possibility exists that a villain would make Rumple decide whose life to save based on the fact that the sadistic choice is a common trope. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralDilemma

Usually it’s the hero who has to decide like Batman in The Dark Knight, so perhaps Emma will be faced with a sadistic choice in her future. However, I think Rumple fits better because as far as we’ve been shown so far, he hasn’t lost a loved one yet, except due to his poor decision making.

I don’t understand it either. I’m pretty sure Rumpel is capable of loving both Belle and Bae. So, I highly doubt Rumpel will be willing to choose between them. So, the idea of Rumpel choosing between the two of them… I’m not sure if that makes any sense. I don’t think Rumpel is willing to make that decision, and he shouldn’t have to. Personally, I think Rumpel would find a way to outsmart Hook with magic or something so that he can keep both.

The sadistic choice isn’t about Rumple being capable of loving both Belle and Bae because I’m confident that he does, it’s about a villain making him suffer in a worst case scenario because no matter who he chooses, he’ll always have guilt and shame that he couldn’t save both of them and that they shouldn’t have been in that type of situation because of him.

I agree though that I think that if it did come down to a sadistic choice most likely both Bae and Belle would end up being saved somehow, but Rumple would still have to live with some degree of guilt and shame over the fact that his loved ones getting into that type of situation because of him and perhaps having to face whoever he didn’t pick assuming that some form of rescue comes after he’s already made his decision. Or maybe this is where the sacrifice that many people including myself think will happen with Rumple, and he’ll sacrifice his own life rather than have to choose between Bae and Belle.

I don’t personally think that Bae will enter this…It seems that if Hook went after a loved one, it would be Belle. Its too perfect.

True, this is one of the main reasons why I think Belle will end up being who Hook targets to go after Rumple. Plus, I think it’s too early to have Rumple be forced into making a sadistic choice.

[elle]

Judging from the pictures, we know Captain Hook will learn about Belle and her relationship with Rumpelstiltskin. He may try to flirt–he does that very often with women on this show. However, I have yet to see him flirt and be successful. 🙂 He flirted a bit with Snow White and she just glared at him. He flirted with Emma, and not once did she looked amused–only dissmissive and uncomfortable. And she chained him in the end. 😆 Despite how charming he can be, he flirting and teasing does not really seem to work on many–at least on the main characters.

I think if he does flirt with Belle, her reaction may be similar to Snow White and Emma’s–not at all amused or comfortable with him. Captain Hook may tell her what happened with Milah to scare her off a bit–to freak Belle out enough to hurt Rumpelstiltskin. But he spent hundreds of years looking for a way to kill Rumpelstiltskin–I doubt he will let that time go to waste.

As for his favor, I wonder if maybe Rumpelstiltskin will use his deal with Emma to protect Belle. It is either that or Baelfire, since those two people are the only ones that he cares for.

[Ziera]

@Elle wrote:

As for his favor, I wonder if maybe Rumpelstiltskin will use his deal with Emma to protect Belle. It is either that or Baelfire, since those two people are the only ones that he cares for.

This is what I was thinking of. I’m not sure in what instance he would need to ask it though.

*SWANFIRE* keeper of Neal's dream catcher

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