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Okay, maybe I’m just saying this because I feel so lost tonight, but here goes a crazy theory.
Maybe Rumpel actually did die. I’ve said in multiple threads that it would be a plot hole, but maybe not…? Rumpel has been said to have died, yes. I mean, it even required an exchange of life. So, I can’t just keep trying to fix an assumed plot hole by saying that he never did and making up a reason. So, maybe the Dark One’s Curse has a certain loophole having to do with death. The holder may “die” but as long as the curse hasn’t passed to another body, he’s eternal at the same time, and so on.
Maybe Rumpel is able to use the Curse to revive Neal.
Theory 1: What if the switch is literal? Death for the Dark One is not the same as death for a normal human. What if Neal’s consciousness is still alive within the vault? We never got a lot of story on why or how the first Dark One was made. What if he/she was created by someone who wished to bring back a loved one? They just had no idea that by using the pure darkness to defy magic, their loved one would be an all powerful monster. Perhaps, the Dark One’s Vault was just a pool of ancient magic that predates the EF.
Theory version 2: What if Rumpel is able to sacrifice his life to save Neal in some other way with the curse. Perhaps by passing on the curse to his body can revive it. I thought it was interesting how we JUST find out that Neal and Emma are true loves before he dies. What if everyone is transported back to the EF, and Rumpel makes Neal the new Dark One by putting his body into the darkness in the vault, and sacrifices himself. But before that, he tells Emma to kiss him and break the curse.
Theory version 3: Maybe they sacrifice the WW to make Neal the DO out of the magic in the vault. Yay! Everyone’s happy!
Please help. I’m desperate. I love Rumpel. He’s my favorite, but I at least know that they’d handle his death well. I also know that we’d see him in flashbacks…But Neal…I can’t let this stand.
[adrotate group="5"]They still have not explained how Philip was revived, I think it will have something to do with that. After all they do like their parallel stories.
One of the saddest things for me about all of this is that Rumple had such character growth, accepted responsibility, and gave his life, telling his son that he would have a happy ending…and now this? So villains really CAN’T be redeemed then? All the progress Rumple made, and his sacrifice, it was for nothing, it got him nothing but more suffering, and it got his son nothing but death. Really, show that’s supposed to be about hope and redemption? The suffering and upheaval that EVERYONE went through due to Rumple’s quest to get back to his son, a great, significant chunk of the entire show, was all for nothing in the end, because Rumple’s son just ended up dying? Really, show?
When the death spoiler first came out, A&E ruled out Rumple as being a possibility. They said everyone else in the main credited cast was a candidate, except for him, so I dunno that there will be a situation where Rumple dies in the future in order to bring Neal back. I am suspicious that there could be a loophole of some sort though. Between them playing up the swan pendant as being a special, powerful object, (even making a point of Neal saying he didn’t know how it survived the jump between worlds, which it did twice even when everything else on his person changed, and Belle saying it’s born of the thing that’s the most powerful magic of all), and the lack of farewell tweets from actors and Adam on Twitter, MRJ didn’t even tweet to the fandom, the whole thing just feels sort of open ended right now IMO.
Oh there’s definite reason for hope. The way they did is a perfect set-up to bring him back, sacrifice someone, make him the Dark One, or something.
The other big thing is OUAT having a happy ending for the Henry and Neal relationship, seems like something they could do
Third is that 15 episodes into the season and 4 into the half season, is weird timing to kill off someone. Especially when he’d barely appeared this half season. For a fake-out it’s better timing.
However it feels like the writers have stated pretty strongly that someone will die and it will be permanent. So my guess is this. If Neal comes back someone else will die for good by the end of S3. Which is scary because that would point to either Rumple dieing for real or Hook.
On the other hand, the writers could have a plan to eventually make Rumple sacrifice himself to bring back Neal, but not for a whilllle. Like end of the series not for a while.
It may be an odd thing to say, but I don’t really wanna have hope about this. I suspect it will only lead to disappointment. I do find it strange though that neither the actors nor the creators are really commenting on it. Though that could be just a way to avoid angry fans…
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You all inspire me. You make a lot of good points that we still haven’t seen how Mulan and Aurora revived Philip. This may still come into play with regards to Emma and Neal. It is strange that Belle confirmed Emma and Neal have true love but they never got to have a TLK before Neal passed on. To borrow a line from the “Princess Bride”
Death can’t stop True Love; all it can do is delay it for awhile.
Maybe a TLK didn’t happen yet because it would have ended this current curse. But if Neal’s death could be reversed then Emma and Neal kissing could be season finale thing which defeats Zelena’s curse.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I would never try to squash anyone’s hope (ONCE does that just fine on its own) but….it’s not going to happen. TVLine confirms that he’s dead and MRJ is off the show.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I would never try to squash anyone’s hope (ONCE does that just fine on its own) but….it’s not going to happen. TVLine confirms that he’s dead and MRJ is off the show.
Actually, TV Line reconfirmed what A&E said way back when…that a death was coming and that it would be permanent….no one has actually confirmed MRJ leaving the show (that was in Matt’s words, not A&E’s). I hate the open ended nature of this whole story and the Twitter silence from almost EVERYONE has really made me angry today. I barely slept last night because of this show so they either need to let me have my closure and confirm what we watched last night or they own up to the fact that they might have something else going on because the FANS DESERVE THAT RIGHT NOW. /end rant
#MoreBOOMLessGloomGood morning all! I’ve been absent for a long time with grad school but I’ve been lurking on the boards for a couple of weeks again. I’m glad I’m not the only one torn up over Neal — a character death hasn’t had me this upset in years. Anyway… like a few of you, I’m hoping for loopholes or something because this doesn’t make sense. I didn’t think his “send off” was very great, if it’s meant to be permanent. They bring him back in Storybrooke for ONE episode and then kill him in the same? It was like they tried to wrap up too many loose ends too fast and none were satisfying.
Anyway… Most of what I have seems more like evidence to support theories already circulating, but here goes.
1. The WW was eyeing Neal’s body after she made Rumple disappear. The whole thing with the Dark One’s Tomb was a set up she orchestrated — what if she fixed it so that Neal only appears dead or something. Keep in mind that…
2. His hand was marked by the key just like Philip’s hand was marked by the Wraith’s talisman, and as EvilKing922 pointed out, they haven’t explained how Philip was revived yet. I think the mark could definitely suggest a parallel between them.
3. Back to the WW, she was alone with Neal after sending Rumple away, so she easily could have done something with him and no one would be the wiser.
4. Unless it has something to do with MRJ’s commitments, (and if he was marked as a regular cast member could he have MADE other commitments?), I don’t see how killing him adds anything to the plot. He and Emma were revealed as true love, and there’s the whole potential story arc of how Henry either re-adjusts his knowledge of his father or remembers Neal — and if he remembers Neal and the year they had, and then remembers him dead, that seems like a cruel plot on a younger character.
And I really don’t fully understand this thing about Neal/Rumple being merged — are we supposed to believe they just shifted outwardly and consciously from one person to another without realizing it since we never see them on screen together until Emma separates them? I thought they showed Neal in the hospital while Rumple was running in the woods, but I may have to re-watch that.
OK, I’m ranting at this point. It was a rough night…
Well after so many “deaths” in this show (and in OUATIW) you can never be sure about a death.
Plus, there is always a possibility that Alice and her friends didn’t fixed the laws of magic after they defeated Jafar…You know what I can't continue with the dead people brought back to life list I'm out of space in the signature and now we have an underworld arc this is to much I quit why do you bring so many people back to life OUAT WHHHYYYY
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