How do Dearies view Milah's death? Does it matter?

[RumplesGirl]

Once Rumple was branded a coward, his family became outcasts because of it. I agree they were never well-off, but if you look at Rumple’s clothes in the pre-Dark One curse, they become progressively more ragged. The town didn’t respect him and that had practical effects on the family – poverty.

Alright, I’ll grant this. But if we’re talking causation then we need to discuss the Seer. She deliberately left out those “pesky details” of what his actions on the battlefield meant. The Seer made it seem as though Rumple was going to die on the battlefield the next morning and thus leave his son without a father, which to Rumple was a crime greater than humiliation. He was willing to endure what others would think of him in order for his son to have a father. He thought Milah would understand, but all she could see was an act of cowardice.

I’m not placing blame squarely on the shoulders of the Seer because in the end we all make our own choices, but I think we have to consider the events that lead to this ostracizing.

[obisgirl]

I agree. I remember listening to the OUAT fan podcast commentary with Jeff and Colleen Roney. And I remember, Colleen viewed what Rumple did as the opposite: she thought he was gutsy.

[PriceofMagic]

Whilst Rumple killing Milah was wrong, you can’t blame him for acting the way he did. He’d been led to believe that it was HIS fault Milah could never return home,, that it was HIS fault Milah was going to spend the rest of her life being raped by pirates, HE had to be the one to witness and comfort Bae as the small boy cried his heart out at his mother’s “death”. Rumple had to live with that guilt for years and then he finds out that Milah was happily running around with her pirate lover.

Of course he was going to be angry, and he killed Milah in the heat of the moment. When he said “How could you leave Bae?” the ships rigging started magically flying about. We know “magic is about emotion” and Rumple wasn’t consciously controlling the rigging, he was too busy berating Milah about Bae. The rigging flying about was the first sign that Rumple was losing control of his anger. Milah telling him she never loved him was the worst possible thing she could have said because it implied that even the times they were happy, such as in Manhattan before he went off to war, were a lie.

Rumple killing Milah was wrong, and he may have even regretted it once he’d calmed down but we haven’t been shown that yet. Rumple knows he has done some terrible things in his past, he probably recognises killing Milah as one of those things. He did love her at one point, as he did Cora. Cora still has a place in his heart (He said so in Welcome to Storybrooke) so why wouldn’t Milah?

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[TheWatcher]

TheWatcher wrote:

obisgirl wrote: I love this conversation, and I agree with all points, Keb.

TheWatcher wrote: Did Milah deserve it? Maybe

Can you explain this further? I have a general idea of why but still.

She’s a mother who completely abandoned her son to run off and live her life wild and free. She left Bae in poverty at that! All so that SHE could be happy. That’s enough to be put In jail in our modern world. Was Rumple right to punish her? In my opinion, yes. Was he right to kill her? ….Perhaps? Hence the “maybe”. She deserved to be punished…. But killing her for it is a bit iffy for me.

Watcher, it was Rumple’s actions that plunged that family into poverty. He was unwilling to move to another town to start fresh. He also is the one the “criminally” abandoned his son. I don’t think it is illegal to leave your child with his/her loving parent, like Milah did. But it is illegal to abandon your kids completely/strangers as Rumple did. If Milah deserved to die, than so does Rumple in a far more painful manner. I get not liking Milah, The writers haven’t tried at all to make her sympathetic. I can even understand wanting a character you dislike to die after all it is a tv show. I know I’ve do sometimes. But I don’t think Milah should be demonized.

I actually DO like Mila. I enjoyed her from the very start. I’m not trying to demonize her. I’m just saying that what she did was wrong and if she truly loved and cared for her son, he would have been on Hooks ship the moment she left. She deserved to be called out and punished. whether or not to die is debatable .Yes, Rumple is wrong too. Though Rumple moving would have done nothing. I’m sure the ogre wars were drafting from all the towns, so if word had spread of a deserter, people would still know who he was. I mean Mila knew he had forsaken the war BEFORE he even got back home. Plus if he were poor, he’d still have been poor in a new town. I got the impression that without Mila, his work as a spinster wasn’t as productive. One person with a child cant do as much work as two people.

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[RumplesGirl]

Though Rumple moving would have done nothing. I’m sure the ogre wars were drafting from all the towns, so if word had spread of a deserter, people would still know who he was. I mean Mila knew he had forsaken the war BEFORE he even got back home. Plus if he were poor, he’d still have been poor in a new town. I got the impression that without Mila, his work as a spinster wasn’t as productive. One person with a child cant do as much work as two people.

I think this is a good point. Milah and Hook were in love after one meeting at the tavern (we assume it’s one meeting) and I don’t think moving to a new place would change anything. Milah wanted to see the world, to have adventures and was not content to be a spinners wife.

I agree. I remember listening to the OUAT fan podcast commentary with Jeff and Colleen Roney. And I remember, Colleen viewed what Rumple did as the opposite: she thought he was gutsy.

Unsurprisingly, I think it was a gutsy move. From S1 we were lead to believe that Rumple had fled war because he was scared of war itself. But Manhattan shows that Rumple not only went off to war of his own free will, he went off happily (Bobby Carlyle doing that little dance with his big grin I die just thinking about it). It was the incident with the Seer that changed his perceptions. This is not to say that Rumple hasn’t made cowardly decisions—oh absolutely he has! A desperate clinging to of power if cowardly, whether it be Rumple or Regina.

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[obisgirl]

I actually DO like Mila. I enjoyed her from the very start. I’m not trying to demonize her.

You’re one of the few I’ve read that like her.

I’m sure the ogre wars were drafting from all the towns, so if word had spread of a deserter, people would still know who he was.

That’s probably true. Rumors spread and what Rumple did, if Milah knew about it within months of carrying Bae, then I’m sure it would have quickly spread to other towns too.

I mean Mila knew he had forsaken the war BEFORE he even got back home. Plus if he were poor, he’d still have been poor in a new town. I got the impression that without Mila, his work as a spinster wasn’t as productive. One person with a child cant do as much work as two people.

Probably.

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