How does the curse effect the rest of Maine?

[Myril]

The Hogwart idea has something.

Can think of different effects:
– no one can visit or even see Storybrook who doesn’t know it’s there – but that would make supply with modern goods somewhat difficult
– if someone from Storybrook invites non-fairy-tale related or non-magical people from the outside to come, they will be able to see and visit Storybrook, but after leaving eventually forget about it – would at least solve the problem with trade with the outside world
– anyone can come to Storybrook, but only those in some relation to Storybrook people or FTL (like August, Emma, Henry) can remember after they’ve left
– the curse made Storybrook an unquestioned part of this world, no one and nothing gives away that it hasn’t been there 28 years ago

Henry used a credit card in Boston, either the cab driver experienced some nasty surprise an didn’t get the money, or money transfer between Storybrook and the rest of world does work. Same goes for the service Henry used to find his mother. How did Henry get into the Bus, does the bus stop regularly in Storybrook? And we know Kathryn Nolan had contact to people in Boston, although only via mail / phone.

Our world is, or has been the world without magic, we assume, but has it ever been explicitly said? Just wondering. For sure it’s not a world without magic anymore.

Must have taken a huge amount of magic to just build the town, not to mention to keep the people in it in a kind of mental haze and frozen in time, and to set up their alternative identity. Possible it draw a lot of magical energy from Fairy Tale Lands, thus destroying most of it (in the sense of depleting it powers, turning it into a wasteland). Maybe an existing town was used, the people replaced by the folks of FTL and their identities stolen (and those people now live in some inbetween world with no way back). But then any relatives of these people living outside the town would become a problem.

Did Regina or Rumpelstilskin know anything before about our world? How? Did Regina create everybody’s new life / identity as Jefferson suggesst, or was it part of the curse and thus not really in her control? Some complicate curse it was, that much we know.

Ah, magic, can give one a headache. 🙄

Fans can be a bunch of gadflies. 😆

Reminds me of a little girl wondering, why fairy tale princesses never have to look very urgently for a bathroom.

[wizard55]

myril, you raised some cool theories/questions. I completely forgot about the one thing you said because I too thought about it once:

If maybe indeed Storybrooke was another town at some point. And the original citizens were all killed or stuck in some kind of dimension/limbo/what have you. The idea originally came to me in season one when we saw remnants of FTL in the underground mines. I kept thinking, what if there was another town there and it’s buried underneath Storybrooke. I do not think that makes much sense anymore but some form of that theory, maybe.

Now, I’m not really thinking this to be true but it would be funny if the curse/rumple/regina whoever actually made the curse pick a spot in our world with a fairytale-esque name….out of sheer irony.

[playarita]

I think it depends on the limitations of the curse. If the curse can take over a large piece of land and have it be something where people in our world are turned off in developing it, or it is partly on protected land (national park) that might be one way… then can it also then alter the landscape to fit Regina’s wishes. It seems to be able given the wet, mild weather (due to being shot in Vancouver) but then how much can she alter?

We have Jefferson’s map and that can either be the world that Regina willed through her curse, or a part of the world that she decided to take over that is a real place in Maine.

For instance we know that there is an ocean in the lower corner and above might be a pond of some sort. Because I am totally not crazy or anything I found a place on the Maine coastline where it could fit.

I looked at the Maine coastline through the help of Google Maps may have an idea of where in our world where StoryBrooke might be. This theory is based on the assumption that the curse can only take over the land but not so much as to create something that is not there i.e. an ocean in the area (as opposed to my own “universe” that I had decided to go with though with great trepidation to be honest).

So where might it be located? Storybrooke may be located on Acadia National Park. On the left side of the park there is a pond called Upper Hadlock Pond and if you go up on Google Maps you will see a small inlet from Somes Sound.

Why I think this might be plausible is that it is the only area that has a large national park near an area that most tourists are better familiar with: Bar Harbor. It seems to match the layout on the map.

Not only that but with it being an island and one bridge connecting it to the mainland it could be a way of limiting traffic and population density only enough to keep Storybrooke protected (mostly from those of us from this world who might have some ability of sight –see a glimmer that shouldn’t be there, a shadow figure, a voice here and here etc).

Though the next step would be to see if there are any distinguishable landmarks or names that might be a reference to something? I think that will have to be my next area of research. If you can find anything definitely tweet about it, do a facebook status, anything (:

Also the distance from Boston to Bar Harbor is less than 300 hundred miles and would take about 5 hours but assuming that Emma may drive a bit faster i.e. she could arrive in Bar Harbor in 3.75 hours if driving 80 miles per hour. Plus it would be a better known area to travel.

[warhorse78]

This is why I am hoping Neal is a regular joe. I want to see what would happen with a guy not having no blood relations to FTL. Of course, maybe Henry being his son could give him some leverage.

[wizard55]

Reviving this thread since we now know SB to outsiders is not visible at all. And from the looks of it you can drive right through it and not notice it.

[RumplesGirl]

This was a big question I had at the end of “Welcome to Storybrooke.” If Owen had taken a few more steps, would he have been inside the bubble of SB? Would he have vanished? Or would he have walked on that road still visible? I think it’s very telling that he didn’t take just a few more steps. If you were to keep driving down that road what happens?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

I’m inclined to think he’d have remained visible on the road and not seen the town again. He’s probably driven up and down that road multiple times over the years, hoping to find it. People can get into town if they know it’s there, but he’s a unique case because he wasn’t connected to FTL in any way, so he doesn’t have the gift of being able to see it from the outside, (until after the curse broke) the way Emma could when she was driving Henry back.

I’d always questioned how SB functions in relation to supplies of food and stuff being replenished, because that would surely have to come from the outside. But having seen now how the town exists in a loop of sorts, I can buy that maybe stuff just never ran out and was magically reset to being fully stocked each day, eliminating the need for outside contact.

[Myril]

@Phee wrote:

I’m inclined to think he’d have remained visible on the road and not seen the town again. He’s probably driven up and down that road multiple times over the years, hoping to find it. People can get into town if they know it’s there, but he’s a unique case because he wasn’t connected to FTL in any way, so he doesn’t have the gift of being able to see it from the outside, (until after the curse broke) the way Emma could when she was driving Henry back.

In science fiction it would be explained as “being out of phase”, it would take an injection of some sort of substance to sync with the phase Storybrooke is in or the barrier, portal does that change if you know how to activate it or someone activates it. 😉 Everyone from the Fairy Tale lands and other magical realms already have the marker to be able to cross the barrier or to get in phase with Storybrooke but not outsiders.

Owen / Greg does obviously remember that the town is there, so there seem to be no memory blocking spell at work. But Gregowen could be an exception, he and his father were inside the parameter when the curse was taking the land (liked the alien invasion style they did in the scene with Kurt and Owen in the woods).

I’d always questioned how SB functions in relation to supplies of food and stuff being replenished, because that would surely have to come from the outside. But having seen now how the town exists in a loop of sorts, I can buy that maybe stuff just never ran out and was magically reset to being fully stocked each day, eliminating the need for outside contact.

As long as the curse was intact it probably did provide the citizens of Storybrooke with everything. But the curse is now broken, so would expect some kind of effect. Not just the threat that now outsiders might come to town, but how does the town now supplies itself? Of course magic can be always used to explain things away, but that is in story telling sometimes a pain. If used too often as a convenient tool people stop to buy it eventually. And it is offers good breeding ground for plot holes.

Ah, these pesky little details, no wonder most fairy tales keep things vague.

If the people of Storybrooke now would need to find new ways to fill their fridge and get all the essentials of modern life it would put a lot more pressure on them to discuss, if and how they stay or if they go back. Let’s see how the heroes of Storybrooke would deal with some problems of common people and everyday life. (admittedly have a thing for shows which don’t take themselves all serious and play around with such things once in a while).

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[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

I’m inclined to think he’d have remained visible on the road and not seen the town again. He’s probably driven up and down that road multiple times over the years, hoping to find it. People can get into town if they know it’s there, but he’s a unique case because he wasn’t connected to FTL in any way, so he doesn’t have the gift of being able to see it from the outside, (until after the curse broke) the way Emma could when she was driving Henry back.

But he did know it was there, he believed it was there, so despite the fact that he’s not connected to FTL, why couldn’t he have gotten back in? Emma and August are both FTL so they can get in and see it from the outside, I agree. So I agree that Greg/Owen wouldn’t have been able to see it, but if all you need is to know it’s there, he should have been able to get back in.

With what Myril said about being out of phase: So once Greg/Owen left, he couldn’t come back in because he was no longer in sync with the town, time was passing for him again? I think that makes a lot of sense and it would help explain why he couldn’t get back in once he had left.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[timespacer]

Maybe the curse initially blocked all outsiders entrance to Storybrooke, so Owen would not have been able to see the town at the end of the episode even if he had walked down the road. If that is true, it might explain why Regina waited 18 years after she lost Owen to adopt a child. Since there was no magic in Storybrooke except for the items she brought with her, perhaps she spent 18 years figuring out a way to use some of those items to enable outsiders to enter so she could bring in a child (Henry). Or perhaps August showed up 18 years later and did something that enabled Henry and others to eventually enter the town. I wonder if there’s an “OFF switch” so outsiders are blocked sometimes and not other times?

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