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November 18, 2014 at 12:26 pm #290694KebParticipant
So we know at some point the lies HAVE to come out somehow, just from pure narrative sense.
A lot of people have expressed hopes that Belle will a) finally knock some sense into the imp and b) leave him until he reforms properly.
But I think that it’s going to have two other effects which may change the course of things:
First, Belle’s going to be crushed, not only because her husband and true love was lying to her–that’s bad enough–but because the things she feared most are coming true. And if her fears about Rumple are true, her fears about herself–that she’s weak, unheroic, incapable–might also be true. She’s going to be in a spiral of self-doubt over this, and that may affect her ability to just walk away, too.
Secondly, Rumple’s been using Belle as a cover for his crimes in Storybrooke–quite openly. Belle, meanwhile, has earned enough trust to care for Snow White’s baby. While it’s possible that people realizing Rumple’s been duplicitous may not reflect badly on her…it also might. She married the man, after all, and most of them didn’t know her very well before her marriage. Why shouldn’t they suspect that Belle was knowingly covering for him? Why would they believe any protestations from Rumple to that effect?
I’d love if Regina or Grumpy were involved in the town going against Belle…Grumpy, being who he is, doubting her would be horribly painful, and Regina supporting her might be an interesting twist on their relationship. Archie would probably support her, too.
It would be a nice echo of when the town shunned Mary Margaret over her affair (driven by Regina’s antics, of course). And be very interesting for the effect on both Belle’s and Rumple’s complicated psychologies.
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November 18, 2014 at 12:43 pm #290696SlurpeezParticipantSecondly, Rumple’s been using Belle as a cover for his crimes in Storybrooke–quite openly. Belle, meanwhile, has earned enough trust to care for Snow White’s baby. While it’s possible that people realizing Rumple’s been duplicitous may not reflect badly on her…it also might. She married the man, after all, and most of them didn’t know her very well before her marriage. Why shouldn’t they suspect that Belle was knowingly covering for him? Why would they believe any protestations from Rumple to that effect?
Well, if people had their senses about them, I think they’d know better than to implicate Belle in Rumple’s duplicity. After all, Hook knows that Rumple gave Belle a fake dagger and said so in the call to Emma. However, there are a few things which could turn the town against Belle. First, there is the obvious: the spell of shattered sight. It makes people believe the worst about others and themselves it seems (as Belle’s conversation with her own reflection revealed). So now the townspeople are likely going to be turning on one another, and this will probably lead to a bunch of people like Grumpy turning on Belle. Also, Belle can’t rely on Hook to tell about the fake dagger because he’s being controlled by Rumple, who likely also magically erased the message Hook left on Emma’s phone. Finally, I think the cost of Rumple secretly pursuing power may be his marriage.
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November 18, 2014 at 12:52 pm #290697KebParticipantI agree that will be part of the price, but I think for him, losing Belle was something he always expected. He doesn’t feel worthy of her (just as she doesn’t feel worthy of him atm, because she believes he has changed and is a hero). He probably assumed that if he didn’t pull everything off well (which he thinks he’s managing), Belle would leave him.
But he probably thinks that’s better for her anyway. He has let her go three times before because he doesn’t believe she should be stuck with him. He’ll do it again, sadly and reluctantly, if he thinks she’s better off.
How much more crushing if he realizes that what he’s done has hurt her in ways he can’t protect her from, even by severing their relationship?
It would echo Regina’s lies about how she was received by her father, too.
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November 18, 2014 at 12:59 pm #290698SlurpeezParticipantBut he probably thinks that’s better for her anyway. He has let her go three times before because he doesn’t believe she should be stuck with him. He’ll do it again, sadly and reluctantly, if he thinks she’s better off.
How much more crushing if he realizes that what he’s done has hurt her in ways he can’t protect her from, even by severing their relationship?
Whether subconsciously done or not, I wonder if Rumple is letting the fake dagger come between him and Belle because he wants her to leave him. I know that sounds odd, considering Rumple loves Belle, but at the same time, he feels imminently unlovable and probably thinks she’s better off without him. By him keeping the real dagger and truth from her, he is building his own case against himself. He had the perfect opportunity to confess his lie to Belle when she confessed hers. I believe Belle would’ve forgiven him on the spot, especially in light of her own feelings of being cowardly and lying about Anna. Now that Rumple let that golden opportunity pass him by, he’s only letting things gets worse the longer he keeps telling lies to cover up past lies. It’s like a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off.
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November 18, 2014 at 1:55 pm #290704WickedRegalParticipantNot to mention Rumple having killed Zelena….I’m sure that’s gonna spark some old fire between him and Regina.
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November 18, 2014 at 3:31 pm #290721obisgirlParticipantI am worried that Belle will think that Rumple lying to her is somehow her fault. In which case, I’d throw up my arms and want to reach through my TV and shake some sense into her.
There’s an interesting observation about Belle, when she’s around other female characters, she tends to be strong and stand up for herself.
Like with Regina last season. Regina needed her help with the candle, Belle stood up to her and Regina backed down a little. But when Belle is around male characters like Rumple or her father, she’s weak.
I get that Belle loves Rumple and wants to see the best in him, but I am honestly worried she will take Rumple’s mistake and blame herself; instead of her throwing a hissy fit.
Belle can be mad at Rumple for not even a minute before she forgives him and they move on. And a lie as big as this, warrants a big furious reaction. But we might not get that.
November 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm #290727PriceofMagicParticipantThere’s an interesting observation about Belle, when she’s around other female characters, she tends to be strong and stand up for herself.
Like with Regina last season. Regina needed her help with the candle, Belle stood up to her and Regina backed down a little. But when Belle is around male characters like Rumple or her father, she’s weak.
Belle has stood up to other male characters before such as Hook. So it isn’t just female characters that she is “strong” around. I think the difference for Belle between Rumple and her father and other characters is that Belle loves Rumple and her father so she tends to let her guard down around them.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixNovember 18, 2014 at 5:26 pm #290738obisgirlParticipantOkay, let me pose a question: what would be a healthy reaction for Belle when the truth comes out?
Personally, I want Belle to leave him. I would roll my eyes so hard if she forgave him on the spot and moved on. Rumple used her as an alibi for murder and continually lied to her face about the dagger. Those two, are unforgivable acts to me.
November 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm #290740PriceofMagicParticipantThis is probably an unpopular opinion but I don’t want Belle to leave Rumple. I’d like her to be angry and disappointed in him, I’d like for her to make him work to earn her trust back, but I don’t want her to give up on him.
I don’t think Rumple is being evil for evil’s sake, he has some agenda. We just don’t know what it is yet.All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixNovember 18, 2014 at 6:00 pm #290744obisgirlParticipantI think Belle needs time and space away from Belle in order to figure out what to do next. Not divorce, I’m not advocating that but she needs to be away from Rumple. For a bit. I know Rumbelle separations never last long on this show but she needs to be away from him, for a realistic amount of time, in order to decide if she still wants to be with him or not.
Personally, I don’t think Rumple is worthy of Belle’s attention this season. And she can do better than him. Not sure who, but I’m sure there’s someone out there.
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