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November 21, 2014 at 12:36 pm #291211PheeParticipant
Linked for a tiny bit of language because it’s brilliant.
*dances away singing* He had it comin’, he had it comin’, he only had himself to blaaaaaammmme…[adrotate group="5"]November 21, 2014 at 1:01 pm #291214RumplesGirlKeymasterLinked for a tiny bit of language because it’s brilliant. *dances away singing* He had it comin’, he had it comin’, he only had himself to blaaaaaammmme…
YES!!!!!!! After everything he did the night of the bonfire and leading up to it..I agree with Annalise. “Don’t be sorry”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm #291220WickedRegalParticipantThen I’ll be squicked out because the actors have crazy chemistry to the point where I almost wanna ship them. LOL
Yes, they do have weird, awkward chemistry, but think back to their intimate moments. Wes has seen her with her guard completely down. She has a weakness around him. Why him out of everyone else? Could this be her maternal feelings coming out. At one point I felt she really wanted to embrace him but held back. What if this is as a mother to her son. But she holds back. We automatically think sexual (because there is a lot of that on this show). But could it be something else? Also, she’s going to a lot of trouble to collude with Wes about her husband’s murder. If this was any other student, she’d sell them out with no remorse. This is a killer shark attorney. She’d have no qualms. But there is some hold that Wes has over her, and not just blackmail. Emotionally he gets to her I’ve felt.
All of that….yes!
The thought of Wes being Annalise’s son never crossed my mind, but when you put it like that….it’s stuck! It makes soooooo much sense I almost feel the need to slap myself for not seeing it!
I always wondered why she favored waitlist over her other students, I originally thought it was because she saw the most potential in him out of everyone else, but the theory that he’s her son really fills in the blanks!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
November 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm #291221WickedRegalParticipantLinked for a tiny bit of language because it’s brilliant. *dances away singing* He had it comin’, he had it comin’, he only had himself to blaaaaaammmme…
YES!!!!!!! After everything he did the night of the bonfire and leading up to it..I agree with Annalise. “Don’t be sorry”
Just replace Wicked Old Witch, with Wicked Son of a!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
November 21, 2014 at 10:31 pm #291237PheeParticipantHaving thought some more about the son theory, I’m still willing to accept Wes’ born in Haiti story as fact, unless and until we’re shown differently.
However, I think it’s entirely possible that Annalise could have been browsing the waitlist, researching who was on it to see if she wanted to pick one, seen a pic of Wes and thought, “Oh Lord he looks just like the daddy of that baby I gave up just over 20 years ago.” But because I’m accepting that Wes was born in Haiti, I would imagine that Annalise would have looked him up and found out about that and discovered he wasn’t her son after all. But by then she’d have already gotten a bit attached to him, gotten a bit nostalgic about that guy who Wes reminded her of, so she decided to take him under her wing anyway.
With Sam gone, Nate being a mistake, and Annalise working secretly with Wes, I see potential for her developing a more problematic bond with him because he reminds her of the guy she once loved, and it could build up until a line gets crossed and Wes is, “WHOA WHUT,” and that could lead into learning more about Annalise’s life pre-Sam, which could even potentially set up a storyline where she decides to try and track her long lost son down. I think something like that would probably make for a deeper, more compelling story that digs into another layer of Annalise’s emotional vulnerability, rather than Surprise!Son!Wes.
November 22, 2014 at 8:00 am #291285RumplesGirlKeymasterWith Sam gone, Nate being a mistake, and Annalise working secretly with Wes, I see potential for her developing a more problematic bond with him because he reminds her of the guy she once loved, and it could build up until a line gets crossed and Wes is, “WHOA WHUT,” and that could lead into learning more about Annalise’s life pre-Sam, which could even potentially set up a storyline where she decides to try and track her long lost son down. I think something like that would probably make for a deeper, more compelling story that digs into another layer of Annalise’s emotional vulnerability, rather than Surprise!Son!Wes.
Wow. I’m not sure I want Annalise and Wes to have anything romantic, though they do have a weird sexual chemistry along side their mentor/mentee and mother/son-esque thing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 22, 2014 at 9:06 am #291286PheeParticipantI’m not really suggesting an actual relationship, more like their already existing relationship evolving to the point where it could happen and then seeing how they’d each react. Honestly, I’ve just never really got the mother/son vibe from them. That scene where he was all wet and nekkid when she came into his apartment, I was almost saying, “Oh just do it already would you, the bed is right there,” such was the tension. So, yeah, if he ends up being revealed as her son, I’ll be needing some brain bleach. LOL
November 22, 2014 at 10:24 am #291287nonnieParticipantI am so glad they are going to re run this series during the hiatus…. I can then have a chance to figure out the clues that I missed … and there were tons of them. I think ABC is trying to get more viewers to the show… the buzz on line helped but so many people had missed so much they could not figure out what is going on…. THIS IS A SECOND CHANCE…
I know they did rerun marathon for ONCE that first hiatus and it paid off big time to pick up viewers…. I think ABC is trying new marketing techniques.November 22, 2014 at 6:18 pm #291304RumplesGirlKeymasterTVLINE | Let me get one thing out of the way: Can you confirm 100 percent that Wes struck the fatal blow to Sam’s head? A few readers have noted we didn’t actually see Wes swinging. We saw blood splatter on Rebecca’s face — then seconds later, we cut to Wes with the blood trophy. Can you confirm definitively?
Yeah, yeah. Wes definitely killed him. There’s no way he was able to take the trophy out of someone else’s hand in that 20 seconds of screen time. [Laughs.]TVLINE | The assumption that Sam killed Lila, though…
That is an assumption. I will say that, and that will be dealt with in future episodes.TVLINE | We know that the Keating Four — Wes, Michaela, Laurel and Connor — plus Rebecca and Annalise… there are a lot of lies going on, a lot of side alliances. How ugly can we expect things to get as the police begin to investigate Sam’s disappearance?
You can expect high drama. There are different allegiances. There are trust factors. There are people playing for their own survival. There’s also groupthink. So it’s messy, that’s what I’ll say. Whether it gets ugly or dark, everyone will see eventually, but it definitely gets very messy and complicated, and the tensions are running high between every character. All of their previous relationships get turned on their heads.TVLINE | Have you already determined how the season will end, or is that still up for grabs?
We have ideas of how we want the season to end. Since the beginning, we’ve always adjusted along the way, but we have a direction we want to go in. There are still a lot of questions that we have to answer, and we’re deciding when we want to answer them and how. The fun part for me is I don’t know everything when I start it. If I did, then I’d just be really mean to the actors who are always like, “What happens next?” I really don’t always know, and I also always want to keep the option of changing my mind and completely reversing course from something we set in motion.TVLINE | I want to talk about a couple of specific scenes from the Winter Finale, and first is the Annalise/Sam fight. That had to be one of the ugliest, if not the ugliest, marital spat I’ve every seen on film.
That’s the best compliment you could ever give us. [Laughs.]TVLINE | We really got to see Sam as this shark-eyed monster in that moment, telling Annalise that she’s nothing but a disgusting slut. And of course she comes back at him with her confession about the affair with Nate, and the graphic details of their trysts. Walk me through that moment.
I remember sitting down with Viola and saying, “We’re always going to build to this great Virginia Woolf-esque fight. I’m not saying it was that well written. [Laughs.] I don’t ever want to compare myself to a great playwright, but we wanted it to be a showdown. And because it’s the last time we’re going to see the character of Sam alive, not in a flashback, we really needed to end things with fireworks. The fight, although, yes, it’s dark and nasty and mean, it was all called for, honestly, given everything that the two of them have been going through and also the 20 years of marriage that they have between them.As I told Tom Verica, “Yes, he’s saying these awful things. But I don’t think anyone in the show is just good or evil.” People in the heat of the moment will say anything to wound, and they’ll say things specifically that will wound the deepest. Who else knows how to hurt someone more than a person to whom they’ve been married to for 20 years? They know exactly what words to use that will cut the deepest.
TVLINE | Later, Annalise leaves that lengthy voice mail begging Sam to come home, essentially saying all is forgiven. But later we learn she already knew Sam was dead when she was making that phone call. I wonder: Is there a part of her that’s genuinely sad and regretful, who is using this moment to say goodbye to Sam? Or is this merely an exercise in creating an alibi and creating doubt in the mid of some future jury?
Everyone’s going to try to fill in the pieces of the holes themselves, so I don’t want to say any one thing was exactly one way or the other. The voicemail, for me, worked on so many levels, and that’s what I hoped people would feel when they watched it. I watched it with some friends, and I could feel them get really uncomfortable during that scene: I don’t know if they didn’t believe it or if it just felt like a turn they didn’t want Annalise to make, and that’s what I freaking love. As long as people don’t turn off the TV, I feel like we have to push it to this level of where you kind of hate a character. You hate what they’re doing, and it makes you cringe for them, and you don’t believe them. That’s what Viola is so genius at playing, all of those things at once, and just also making even the most incongruous behaviors believable.TVLINE | We saw a number of mistakes being made in the course of the Murder Night cover up, and I feel like Michaela made a lot of them: Losing her ring, not wearing gloves when they disposed of the body in the Dumpster. Should we be worried about where she might end the season?
You should be worried about everyone. I think they’re human. So, by nature, mistakes were made that night. It’s not easy to get away with murder, so again, you should worry about everyone — for sure."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 22, 2014 at 8:01 pm #291305JosephineParticipantYeah, we really need to rewatch the series since ABC is reairing it. Go back through knowing what we know now, our own headcanons and see how it all fits together.
Why can’t Once still be like this? Season one and two had us theorizing and rewatching and this eagerness. It’s good to have that back in a show once again. And because of the rampant promiscuity there shouldn’t be too many ship fights. 😛
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