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@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I believe that Rumple’s undoing doesn’t mean destruction as in death. I think it means undoing as in reverting back to his real self, pre Dark One days. In my mind, I think Rumple will end up sacrificing himself for the sake of young Henry. Interesting that they made Rumple the Beast, who in the real story, dies and is transformed and resurrected by Belle. In Narnia, we see the White Witch use a dagger to kill Aslan who had sacrificed himself for the Narnians. The story of giving up one’s life in sacrifice holds no copyright because it’s the oldest and truest story ever told . So I would hope that we will see Rumple give the ultimate sacrifice, his life for Henry’s, and in turn we see the Dark One die, dagger is shattered and the real Rumple is saved, transformed and resurrected just as the Beast was.
I think this is the most likely scenario imo….I think that Gold’s bonding with Henry before the showdown with Nealfire was the first step in Rumple developing a true love for his grandson which will eventually motivate him to give his life for Henry. But I guess the Charmings would then have to rely solely on the BF and Emma in any future battles…unless we get some sort of amazing transformation and Rumple all of a sudden can do good magic.
[adrotate group="5"]Well, not all of Rumple’s power now comes from having been the Dark One. He may have had the ability to take the Seer’s powers because he was the Dark One, but it’s not a Dark One ability. It’s possible that some of his other abilities were similarly acquired. Will these go away if his Dark One curse is removed?
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I’m also on the “Undoing” will end the curse and not death. I could also see Pino being the boy too. It would make sense.
I’m also wondering, When the seer said that the boy is more than what he seems, Could that simply mean that “He will be related to you, he will be your grandson” I don’t think Rumple would EVER think something like that would happen. It’s DEF possible for Henry to have Magic being that his the savior son but I also think the biggest dilemma is that They are related and Rumple is screwed unless Henry turns out to be the big hero….But my hopes are still that Regina is playing Cora and she’ll save everyone … Wishful thinking? 🙄
What if Gold/Rumple was warming up to Henry because his connection to the Savior raised suspicion that Henry would lead Gold to Bae through Emma?
I’m thinking along the lines of of keep your friends close & your enemies closer.
We already know he’s worked with both Cora & Regina. He hasn’t made an attempt to harm Henry in the past because he hadn’t been reunited with Bae yet. He needed him around in case he was/is the boy.
Now he knows who Henry is & his link to Bae & Emma. TLK to Henry under the sleeping curse may not have been needed to break the Storybrooke curse but the love magic was what undid it. Gold stole it. He had no concern for whether or not Henry would wake up.The undoing Gold may need to beware of:
1. Regina’s desire to have Henry to herself.
2. Gold’s desire to keep his powers at any cost. ( He already showed did this with Bae)
3. Gold’s own fear of what his undoing is. Leading to Gold harming Henry & undoing any possible healing between him & Bae.
4. Henry having a life altering moment.https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/52/cb/c6/52cbc6149415054d0d0aba04c3536bae.jpg
For Rumple having the Seer’s abilities why doesn’t he see who the boy is that the Seer was talking about?
Is it August, or Henry or someone else?
HappyEndings,
There are pieces of the puzzle missing, as both the Seer and Rumple said. There are a few things he’s been completely blind to–like the fact that Belle wasn’t killed the way Regina said. Also, as a chessmaster, he probably has augmented his Seer abilities with knowledge of what’s going on behind the scenes, so he’s often appeared to know more about the future than this ability tells him.
ScarletLady,
TLK broke the curse. Rumple brought magic after that. We know the curse was broken by TLK and not the potion because Belle recognized him before he used it.
His lack of concern about Henry may have been that he knew the curse was about to be broken anyway; he might have guessed how Emma would do it. Or he may have known with his Seer ability. He didn’t have much reason to be worried about Henry at that point–they didn’t have much of a relationship until later–and his focus was only on getting back to Bae, for which he believed he needed magic. I suspect that there may have been some reason he needed to wait for the curse to break before he brought magic back, though the only thing I can think of is not wanting to have an empowered Regina during the curse.
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@ItachiIshtar wrote:
I think what will happen is Cora will want Henry out of the way, because just like Daniel he is a “weakness” to Regina. Cora thinks power is the only true source of happiness, and she also wants Regina to herself. In order to protect Henry from Cora, Rumple could somehow sacrifice his Dark One powers, most likely via True Love’s Kiss from Belle and perhaps also winning back Bae’s respect for him. Rumple needs to choose who he truly loves over his addiction to magic.
I’ve been suspecting the same thing – it fits Cora’s character. Of course, she would have to command the Dark One to do it in such a way that Regina wouldn’t find out – otherwise Regina would never forgive her. This has been foreshadowed twice now – first in “Queen of Hearts” when Rumple suggested that if Regina killed Snow and Emma in the well, “Henry could hardly blame you” and in “Manhattan” when Cora suggested they get Rumple to kill Charming, Snow, and Emma so that Regina would appear “blameless in the eyes of” Henry.
I wonder if the Seer’s prophecy that “You will be reunited with your son and it will come in a most unexpected way” has not yet come to pass. After all, Rumple found Bae in more or less the way he had planned, not in an unexpected way and their meeting didn’t really “reunite” them. Now, Henry is the one person who might get Bae to forgive Rumple and truly reunite them. So that could be what leads to Rumple’s “undoing.” It seems likely that Henry will want to get to know his dad. They could certainly share stories about what it is like to have an evil, magic-using parent. Who else could relate to their situations so perfectly? Henry’s willingness to forgive Regina might eventually lead Bae to develop similar feelings toward Rumple.
I agree that “undoing” might refer to him just losing his powers instead of dying. On the other hand, if Cora did obtain the dagger and command the Dark One to kill Henry, it’s possible Rumple might foil the plan by getting someone to kill him, just as Zoso did to Rumple.
Like most of the other posters, I don’t think Rumple will want to kill Henry based upon the Seer’s prophecy, but I do wonder what the combination of Belle’s memory loss and Bae’s rejection will do to Rumple. He may be in a very, very dark place right now.
@Mich7 wrote:
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I believe that Rumple’s undoing doesn’t mean destruction as in death. I think it means undoing as in reverting back to his real self, pre Dark One days. In my mind, I think Rumple will end up sacrificing himself for the sake of young Henry. Interesting that they made Rumple the Beast, who in the real story, dies and is transformed and resurrected by Belle. In Narnia, we see the White Witch use a dagger to kill Aslan who had sacrificed himself for the Narnians. The story of giving up one’s life in sacrifice holds no copyright because it’s the oldest and truest story ever told . So I would hope that we will see Rumple give the ultimate sacrifice, his life for Henry’s, and in turn we see the Dark One die, dagger is shattered and the real Rumple is saved, transformed and resurrected just as the Beast was.
I think this is the most likely scenario imo….I think that Gold’s bonding with Henry before the showdown with Nealfire was the first step in Rumple developing a true love for his grandson which will eventually motivate him to give his life for Henry. But I guess the Charmings would then have to rely solely on the BF and Emma in any future battles…unless we get some sort of amazing transformation and Rumple all of a sudden can do good magic.
I think this is likely too.
@Keb wrote:
Well, not all of Rumple’s power now comes from having been the Dark One. He may have had the ability to take the Seer’s powers because he was the Dark One, but it’s not a Dark One ability. It’s possible that some of his other abilities were similarly acquired. Will these go away if his Dark One curse is removed?
Since seeing the future isn’t an original DO ability, I would assume if Rumpel lost his Dark One powers, he would still be able to keep that ability.
I had this thought in the shower this morning: what if the Seer is mixing lies with truth? What if what she really saw was not the undoing of Rumple by Henry, but rather Henry is some integral part of the war that is to come. And the outcome of whatever Henry does will negatively affect FTL, and to ensure that this would not come to pass, the Seer tells Rumple a lie to make sure that Rumple (being the Dark One by now) would be inclined to kill the boy.
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