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Back in S1x19 The Return, Blue clearly tells Baelfire that what ails his father isn’t from this world (meaning Dark Curse isn’t from the EF).
Hate to destroy all your wonderful conspiracy and it’s Plot!Plot!Plot! assumptions (okay, I don’t, specifically if it comes to the Blue Fairy), but have to tell you, you remember it wrong. Sorry.
That is what the Blue Fairy is telling Bae in 1×19 The Return:
You see, what ails your father is specific to our realm. His powers do not belong here. You must go where you can escape this wretched curse.
Quoted from transcript, and re-watched the episode.
Blue Fairy doesn’t say exactly, where the power is from, but that what troubles Rumple is “specific” to their realm, aka the Enchanted Forest or magical lands. Yes, she says as well, the power doesn’t belong there, and one can read that differently, but it doesn’t have to mean, the power doesn’t originate in the EF, just that it shouldn’t be there.
Basically Blue Fairy was telling Bae in this scene, she can’t do anything about the Dark One in the Enchanted Forest, the magic was beyond her control or beyond her to undo, take away, but that there was hope in the form of going to a non-magical place.
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Blue Fairy doesn’t say exactly, where the power is from, but that what troubles Rumple is “specific” to their realm, aka the Enchanted Forest or magical lands. Yes, she says as well, the power doesn’t belong there, and one can read that differently, but it doesn’t have to mean, the power doesn’t originate in the EF, just that it shouldn’t be there.
You know, I think you may be right. Good catch! Maybe I should go back and re-watch that episode (my beautiful, beautiful conspiracy theories *snif*) I certainly hope they’ll give us more backstory here. (As I said, I have high hopes for season 4). That vault was interesting. I loved how whatever was inside was causing it to (very locally) snow.
Yes, she says as well, the power doesn’t belong there, and one can read that differently, but it doesn’t have to mean, the power doesn’t originate in the EF, just that it shouldn’t be there.
I think if she meant the power shouldn’t be here, it’d be quite easy to say so. Saying something doesn’t belong there, atleast to my interpretation, implies it comes from somewhere else and belongs somewhere else. The way I see it… The Dark One power is different in each land.. The way we see it in Rumpel is specific to him since he was infected in the Enchanted Forest. If someone became the Dark One in, say, Neverland, I think the power and appearence would take on a different form. So what Blue is saying I think is that the power cones from somewhere else, doesn’t belong in the EF, and what we see effecting Rumpelstiltskin is specific to this land and this land alone. I’ve always thought Rumpel and Zoso looked different as Dark Ones so I guess it could work..
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Hate to destroy all your wonderful conspiracy and it’s Plot!Plot!Plot! assumptions (okay, I don’t, specifically if it comes to the Blue Fairy), but have to tell you, you remember it wrong. Sorry. That is what the Blue Fairy is telling Bae in 1×19 The Return:
You see, what ails your father is specific to our realm. His powers do not belong here. You must go where you can escape this wretched curse.
Quoted from transcript, and re-watched the episode. Blue Fairy doesn’t say exactly, where the power is from, but that what troubles Rumple is “specific” to their realm, aka the Enchanted Forest or magical lands. Yes, she says as well, the power doesn’t belong there, and one can read that differently, but it doesn’t have to mean, the power doesn’t originate in the EF, just that it shouldn’t be there. Basically Blue Fairy was telling Bae in this scene, she can’t do anything about the Dark One in the Enchanted Forest, the magic was beyond her control or beyond her to undo, take away, but that there was hope in the form of going to a non-magical place.
That didn’t destroy my “conspiracy” (I thought I was asking a question and really didn’t see any conspiracy, but ok?). All you’ve done is reaffirmed that Blue said what ailed Rumple wasn’t from this realm, meaning the Dark Curse. So I’m really confused by your post and what you are getting at as it’s in complete support of what I’m saying.
Considering that Blue said it’s not from this world it’s in complete contradiction to what we heard in Quiet Minds, this past Sunday. Hear is Lumiere’s words: “It’s a key to the Vault of the dark one. Where the first Dark One was made, born out of, well, darkness. If you wish to bring Rumplestiltskin back to life then that’s where you must go.”
That contradicts what Blue said. If the first Dark One was MADE in the EF and that’s where they are born and resurrected from, then the Dark Curse certainly does come from the Enchanted forest. It was born and resurrected there.
No conspiracy theory here, just a HUGE PLOT HOLE where someone’s hasn’t kept tract on what was previously said or either Blue or Lumiere were lying.
Doesn’t get any simpler than that. 🙂
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They might have messed up there I guess. But where Again are we told that Blue is not able to tell lies? and by whom? I dont remember that.
Sherazade, in S1x19 The Return, after Bae disappears through the vortex and Rumple is left alone and he calls on Blue, they can’t into an argument. Rumple keeps asking her if there’s a way and she says no (because she’s used the last magical bean). He calls her a liar and she says she’s not lying because Fairies can’t lie.
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Have to disagree here. K&H aren very specific in regards to the words they use and hints they throw out for the ardent viewer. That’s why so many interviews after the show, all the official podcasts last season, etc.
Either they are dropping the ball and missing stuff or someone is lying.
As much as I love the sneaky fairy theory about Blue and have never gone down that path before, I’m starting to reconsider it. Especially in lieu of what came out Sunday.
We’ve all been saying for nearly 3 seasons now that the Dark One’s Curse came from outside the realm of SB only to now hear that the Dark One was born out of the darkness and made in the vault that IS in the EF. That’s huge!
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Sorry @TheGoldenKey maybe I’ve misread or misunderstood something in your opening post, but you wrote
Back in S1x19 The Return, Blue clearly tells Baelfire that what ails his father isn’t from this world (meaning Dark Curse isn’t from the EF).
Now I quoted, what the Blue Fairy said in that episode and she said definitely: It IS specific to the Enchanted Forest, to “our realm” to quote her again, and she and Bae were in the EF at that moment, or in less poetic words: The Dark One’s power IS from the Enchanted Forest. The vault is in the Enchanted Forest. Of course you can assume, the Blue Fairy is not from the Enchanted Forest and she was talking about “our” aka the Fairies’ realm, but I don’t assume that. So were is the Blue Fairy’s statement in contradiction of what we saw past episode?
She says furthermore, that “his powers don’t belong” in their realm. You read that differently, as the power doesn’t come from the Enchanted Forest, okay. As I read what the Blue Fairy said, the powers of the Dark One not only can come but do come from the Enchanted Forest (and can work in any land with magic). But the only way to get rid off them is by leaving and live in a land without magic (or to get killed and thus transfering the power to someone else, but the Blue Fairy doesn’t talk about that option).
My opinion: The Blue Fairy DIDN’T lie, NOR did the writers mess up at this point.
To me “not come from” or “is not from” and “not belong to” is not the same wording and has a very different meaning, and the latter is what is written in the script.
Can we agree on having a different point of view here?
edit to clarify
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Sorry @TheGoldenKey maybe I’ve misread or misunderstood something in your opening post, but you wrote
Back in S1x19 The Return, Blue clearly tells Baelfire that what ails his father isn’t from this world (meaning Dark Curse isn’t from the EF).
Now I quoted, what the Blue Fairy said in that episode and she said definitely: It IS specific to the Enchanted Forest, to “our realm” to quote her again, and she and Bae were in the EF at that moment, or in less poetic words: The Dark One’s power IS from the Enchanted Forest. The vault is in the Enchanted Forest. Of course you can assume, the Blue Fairy is not from the Enchanted Forest and she was talking about “our” aka the Fairies’ realm, but I don’t assume that. So were is the Blue Fairy’s statement in contradiction of what we saw past episode? She says furthermore, that “his powers don’t belong” in their realm. You read that differently, as the power doesn’t come from the Enchanted Forest, okay. As I read what the Blue Fairy said, the powers of the Dark One not only can come but do come from the Enchanted Forest (and can work in any land with magic). But the only way to get rid off them is by leaving and live in a land without magic (or to get killed and thus transfering the power to someone else, but the Blue Fairy doesn’t talk about that option). My opinion: The Blue Fairy DIDN’T lie, NOR did the writers mess up at this point. To me “not come from” or “is not from” and “not belong to” is not the same wording and has a very different meaning, and the latter is what is written in the script. Can we agree on having a different point of view here? edit to clarify
No need to be sorry. I went back and watched and you are correct. She did say IS SPECIFIC. Don’t know why I’ve always hung on her saying “ISN’T” but regardless, I’ve been mistaken and thank you for pointing that out.
That also changes the context of the statement “not belong to”. In accord with you on that.
Just curious, why the name change Myril? Your first response was under another name of Spoekenkieker, I believe that’s German, and now you’re responding as Myril. Gosh, we haven’t heard from you in quite some time and here you are on popping up on my thread. I’ll have to post more often if it brings you out of hibernation. 😉 Welcome back Myril.
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What if it was a setup. What if it is Cora masquerading as Blue, or Cora somehow controlling Blue. We saw Cora appear as Blue in The Queen is Dead. There are a lot of similarities between the scenes of Blue with Baelfire and Blue with Snow. The other stories in The Return all involve set ups and deception…Snow was framed and David fell for it…Sidney and Regina were working to set up Emma…Gold was setting up Regina. It would not surprise me if the scene with Baelfire and Blue was a set up.
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What if it was a setup. What if it is Cora masquerading as Blue, or Cora somehow controlling Blue. We saw Cora appear as Blue in The Queen is Dead. There are a lot of similarities between the scenes of Blue with Baelfire and Blue with Snow. The other stories in The Return all involve set ups and deception…Snow was framed and David fell for it…Sidney and Regina were working to set up Emma…Gold was setting up Regina. It would not surprise me if the scene with Baelfire and Blue was a set up.
Cora wasn’t even born at that time.
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