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October 6, 2014 at 2:16 pm #284514PanTheManParticipant
Really, if Elsa was adopted and the Snow Queen is her biological mother, then adoption would be something else Elsa and Emma having in common.
[adrotate group="5"]October 6, 2014 at 2:21 pm #284515Frozen QueenParticipantReally, if Elsa was adopted and the Snow Queen is her biological mother, then adoption would be something else Elsa and Emma having in common.
Yes. Spoilers reveal that Snow White and Elsa connect on a powerful level. I believe Snow White will help Elsa to understand how her birth mother could have possibly given her up for adoption, since Snow White gave up Emma to give her her best chance. Also, the article reveals that the Snow Queen has her sights set on Emma for a particular reason. Jennifer Morrison has also revealed something from her past will impact everyone in town. Probably, that past includes the Snow Queen.
"I'm not bossy. I'm the queen." Elsa
October 6, 2014 at 2:23 pm #284516RumplesGirlKeymasterHere is my theory. I think that Elizabeth Mitchell’s character is the Snow Queen who gave up her infant daughter, Elsa, to Rumplestiltskin for mysterious but sympathetic reasons. Rumplestiltksin then made a deal with the king and queen of Arendelle, who adopted Elsa, thinking they were unable to have a child. Later, Anna came along as a welcomed surprise. The king and queen never told Elsa she was adopted nor how she came by her powers. Unbeknownst to Elsa, she inherited her magic from her birth mother, the Snow Queen, who lived in Misty Haven. That is where Elsa’s adoptive mother and father were headed in a ship when the storm hit, to seek help and understanding about Elsa’s uncontrollable power. The queen of Arendelle wrote a note to Elsa, telling her she was adopted, who her birth mother is, and then sealed the letter in a bottle. Years later, Anna set out on a mission to find out what happened, when she came across the Snow Queen, who then froze or apprehended Anna, for some unknown reason. Elsa will somehow discover the letter in a bottle from her adoptive mother and will then learn the identity of the Snow Queen, who is now in Stroybrooke, as well as the location of her adoptive sister, Anna.
wow! Quite the elaborate theory. I for sure think EM’s character is related somehow to Elsa.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 6, 2014 at 9:13 pm #284602BelleOfTheBallParticipantAlthough I am not a crazed Frozen fan, I do enjoy the movie and I was interested to see where they would go with this story line. So far, I have enjoyed it. I love both actresses that play Anna and Elsa, I think they are perfect for the part, plucked right out of the movie while being able to let their own acting talents sine through.
With that being said, I would be a little disappointed if the writers took the route that Anna and Elsa were not sisters by blood. Of course, they grew up together and they are still sisters. But their relationship is so powerful, I would hate to see them play with that. We just played with the whole sister storyline in 3b and if EM’s character is in fact Anna, it would be a little too much like 3A for me with Pan being Malcolm. I am totally on board with the aunt storyline though. Here is how I see it:
Elsa and Anna’s mother had a sister, EM’s character. They grew up in Arrendell but when the sisters powers are discovered by their parents, she is banished (or shunned) , and ends up in the enchanted forest. This would make sense why Elsa’s parents worked so hard to accept Elsa and help her deal with her powers, her mother didn’t want to repeat the past. But when Elsa’s powers grow, they go on a journey to see EM’s character for suggestions on how to control her niece’s powers. They explain in the note that she is the one that can help and teach Elsa.
Something along those line. I just dont like the idea of EM being mom.
October 6, 2014 at 10:54 pm #284610PheeParticipantWith that being said, I would be a little disappointed if the writers took the route that Anna and Elsa were not sisters by blood.
Honestly I’d be surprised if they’d be allowed to change that. Same deal with them ageing Anna up to be Elizabeth Mitchell. When all is said and done with 4A, this little portion of their story will have to comply with Disney canon enough so that people who have seen it won’t find it contradictory with whatever Disney does with the characters next. If people didn’t see them on Once, it’ll be no big deal, they won’t be missing anything that will be vital in the grand scheme, this is just a detour in the story. But they’ll end up right back where Disney wants them to launch the next chapter so that the Once detour will still fit in the grand scheme for those who did see it. I don’t even know that we’ll get Anna and Kristoff’s wedding at the end of 4A, because that’s probably a thing they’d want to show officially in a Frozen sequel. We’ll probably end with them all getting back to Arendelle and they’ll be all, “Well, now we can finally have that wedding,” and fade to black.
Making the Snow Queen be Anna and Elsa’s aunt could be a Once-contained story arc that fits with the theme of the original Frozen but never need be addressed in a Frozen sequel as long as it’s all tied up in a nice bow by the end of 4A.
October 6, 2014 at 11:08 pm #284611RumplesGirlKeymasterHonestly I’d be surprised if they’d be allowed to change that. Same deal with them ageing Anna up to be Elizabeth Mitchell
This is my feeling as well. A and E need to please the new Frozen crowd enough that they consider sticking around for 4B and any season that may cone after. So they are not going to radicalize their take on Frozen.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 7, 2014 at 11:16 am #284640Frozen QueenParticipantI’m a big fan of Frozen (as my screen name indicates), and I personally wouldn’t mind if the writers decided to make Elsa and Anna adoptive sisters rather than biological sisters. Blood isn’t always thicker than water. Henry loves his adoptive mother as much as his birth mother. I also think it would send a positive message about adoption if Anna and Elsa were to share sisterly true love without necessarily having to be related by blood. So far, the writers have been sticking really close to the Disney movie, so making Elsa the biological daughter of the Snow Queen would be quite a nice twist on the tale, for which Once Upon a Time is so well known.
"I'm not bossy. I'm the queen." Elsa
October 7, 2014 at 1:43 pm #284645WickedRegalParticipantHere is my theory. I think that Elizabeth Mitchell’s character is the Snow Queen who gave up her infant daughter, Elsa, to Rumplestiltskin for mysterious but sympathetic reasons. Rumplestiltksin then made a deal with the king and queen of Arendelle, who adopted Elsa, thinking they were unable to have a child. Later, Anna came along as a welcomed surprise. The king and queen never told Elsa she was adopted nor how she came by her powers. Unbeknownst to Elsa, she inherited her magic from her birth mother, the Snow Queen, who lived in Misty Haven. That is where Elsa’s adoptive mother and father were headed in a ship when the storm hit, to seek help and understanding about Elsa’s uncontrollable power. The queen of Arendelle wrote a note to Elsa, telling her she was adopted, who her birth mother is, and then sealed the letter in a bottle. Years later, Anna set out on a mission to find out what happened, when she came across the Snow Queen, who then froze or apprehended Anna, for some unknown reason. Elsa will somehow discover the letter in a bottle from her adoptive mother and will then learn the identity of the Snow Queen, who is now in Stroybrooke, as well as the location of her adoptive sister, Anna.
All of this….I agree! Either this or the King had an affair with the Ice Queen, who gave birth, was sealed inside of the Urn where the King took his daughter Elsa in, and returned to Arendelle.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
October 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm #284647MatthewPaulModeratorSomething I recently thought about. Regina, Robin and Roland got ice cream at the end of the Season 3 finale. Minutes before Elsa’s onscreen introduction, I might add. They likely got ice cream from the same shop, which might have been purposely added as an Easter egg regarding the writers’ plans for Season 4.
October 10, 2014 at 11:23 am #284955mousearsParticipantI’m pretty darn sure Ice Cream Lady is the original Snow Queen, And, here’s my “crack” theory on the relation between Elsa and the Snow Queen. As mentioned before, there’s probably no way Disney would alter cannon and make her parentage null and void by making her adopted and also marking her as both unwanted and an orphan — too much/too soon on an very much adored new story. Also, if she were adopted there is also no way she could inherit the throne, it would have to go to Anna as the true direct descendant of the King and Queen. The Aunt theory seems the most logical connection. BUT, unlike others have said, she is the sister of the King not the Queen. In the movie Frozen, it is the King who rushes to the book saying he knows exactly what to do when Elsa accidentally hits Anna with ice magic – almost as if he had to deal with it before. Also, throughout the movie, it is the father (aka King) who is the harshest to Elsa afterwards, and rather than teaching her how to cope is almost abusive in his isolation of her. My guess is that he had dealt with it before first hand from his sister with dire consequences (maybe pulling in some of the original Snow Queen tales here via OUAT flashback), and hoped it wouldn’t be passed down. Also, if your child is born with “ice magic” wouldn’t you try to teach and love for positive results, instead of fear and hide? unless, you had already witness something terrible before.
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