If Baelfire had stayed…..

[obisgirl]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Demileto wrote:

@obisgirl wrote:

If Baelfire had stayed in fairytale world, there would be no curse. Rumpel only needed the curse to get to our land. So the Evil Queen would need to get her revenge against Snow a different way and most likely, Emma would have grown up a princess. But in typical Emma fashion, she probably would have hated parts of it.

Actually, Rumple might’ve never approached Cora, who’d have been killed by the greedy king, never to give birth to Regina or kill Snow’s mother. Snow, on the other hand, might’ve never met Charming, since she did so while being an outlaw, so no Emma at all! 🙂

And with that excellent idea, we return to the idea that there is a puppet master controlling everything.

You’re right.

[WickedRegal]

@obisgirl wrote:

So the Evil Queen would need to get her revenge against Snow a different way and most likely, Emma would have grown up a princess. But in typical Emma fashion, she probably would have hated parts of it.

Technically, not so much dear, because if Bae had stayed then Regina never would have become the Evil Queen, because Cora wouldn’t have become so wicked due to having to rip out her heart to be with Rumple, because he never would have taught her magic, he’d a spun the gold, and left. Then, Regina could marry Daniel, and Cora and Henry Sr. would be happy, and I don’t think Snow would have met Charming, because it was Regina who sent her on the run which led up to meeting Charming, so no Emma would have been born. Unless of course, she met him while he was a shepherd, then that could work, and you’re right Emma would more than likely dislike being called milady, and bowing, curtseying, and waltzing.

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[kfchimera]

If Bae had stayed, I think events would be so different that you could imagine whatever you want because there’s no logical path to follow without unraveling the whole thing.

Without a Rumpel wanting to deal, why would a miller’s daughter like Cora have married Henry Sr? She’d have made her boast and ended up dead in the tower. Xavier then marries Henry to Eva–so no Regina, and no Snow either. Meanwhile, David and James grow up with Ruth at the farm and the whole story just doesn’t happen. It’s even hard to say if Rumpel would have killed Milah–so maybe no Hook either.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[obisgirl]

I think some characters would have still existed, just probably not cross paths.

Killian probably would not have become Hook, but he’d still have a reputation as a pirate. Maybe instead of Cora meeting Rumpel as the Dark One, it would have been Zoso or a different dark one. Events might have happened differently. Like, I’m pretty sure Milah would have still ran off, maybe not with Hook or maybe someone else.

[Demileto]

@obisgirl wrote:

I think some characters would have still existed, just probably not cross paths.

Killian probably would not have become Hook, but he’d still have a reputation as a pirate. Maybe instead of Cora meeting Rumpel as the Dark One, it would have been Zoso or a different dark one. Events might have happened differently. Like, I’m pretty sure Milah would have still ran off, maybe not with Hook or maybe someone else.

I think you misunderstood the discussion, obisgirl. 🙂

We’re discussing here the impact on future events had Baelfire not sought the Blue Fairy, got a magic bean from her, opened a portal for him and his father to go through and ultimately got separated from Rumple as the latter chose magic over his own son. By that point Zozo was already dead, Rumple was already the Dark One and Milah had already ran off with Hook. 🙂

[RumplesGirl]

Everything post the Desperate Soul would have been different, is the point here I think. Snow may have married but it wouldn’t have been Charming and thus Emma wouldn’t have been born. Bae would have died long before so no Henry.

Which is why I start going: puppet master Pan.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[sacrlc]

RumplesGirl wrote:

Which is why I start going: puppet master Pan.

Puppet Master Pan – PMP or Puppet Master Peter Pan – PMPP? 😉

Don't grow up. It's a trap.

[kfchimera]

There have been so many shows/books/movies that use this idea of alternate timelines, or parallel worlds etc, and not all of them use a puppet master to explain why things stay roughly the same in the multiple versions–it’s just sort of chalked up to fate, destiny or just not really discussed. The main thing is, if it is too different, it ceases to be an interesting contrast anyway, so why not just write a whole new story?

I should have been more clear that by no Hook, I meant he would have just been Killian Jones, pirate, and there would have to be something other than the bean to make Rumpel willing to deal and cut off only his hand rather than kill him outright. Once you say “What if” you are rewriting and you can rewrite whatever you want. You could still make some things happen the same, but for other things you might need new motivation for the characters to force the plot down roughly the same track and still have it make sense. You can do it though if you want–some stories even acknowledge that fate has a way of “course correcting”.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

That’s a very popular theme on LOST: that the universe has a way of course correcting. If PP or Fate or something similar is controlling everything behind the scenes, they would have found another way to get Bae away from Rumple.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[chianna]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

The list of things that would never have happened had Bae stayed is staggering. His departure from FTL is the impetus for everything. Think about: let’s say Bae stay with his papa. The Rumple has no need of the Curse so:
–he never meets Cora
–Cora never marries the Prince
–Regina is never born, or at least not born to Cora and Henry Sr.
–Cora never kills Ava
–Regina and Snow are never enemies
–Snow never looses her mother, the King never remarries
–Snow is never driven out into the forest where she meets Charming
–George never looses James trying to get gold from Midas
–Snow and Charming never marry because David would still be a farmer
–Emma is never born
–Henry is never born

Bae leaving FTL is the most signifcent event to happen in FTL. And because of that fact, someone is behind it, someone is manipulating everything for their end goal: Henry. So PP has been planning this for a long long long long time. And he’s got helpers: The Lost Ones who check each new boy who comes to NL, Tink who is probably his second in command, and in my mind, Blue who works for PP, making sure everything happens according to plan in FTL.

There has to be a seer involved somewhere, there’s so many events that have to unfold exactly so.

If the goal is Henry then the ultimate plan could be to get rid of the Dark One altogether. As it is the DO is immortal, the vessel might die but the power finds a new host. Henry’s mother is the embodiment of true love and his father the son of the current Dark One. Bae was the catalyst in the past but in the present everything happens because of Henry.

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