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April 24, 2014 at 4:14 pm #263582obisgirlParticipant
I’ve been reading and hearing different theories about who cast the curse.
Hook cast the curse, but with Snowing’s permission to protect everyone from Zelena.
Aurora cast the curse.
Rumple cast the curse.
The thing is with most of these theories, there’s something that doesn’t sound right.
With Hook, okay, if he did it, who’s heart did he sacrifice? Because Adam and Eddie said the rules for casting the Dark Curse have not changed. You still need to sacrifice a heart to make it happen.
Emma’s in our land and Emma doesn’t really have anybody else that can fit that requirement and the Jolly Roger is not a person, unless there’s some loophole that makes it possible but not likely.
If Aurora cast the curse, she would have to sacrifice the thing/s she loved the most so either her baby or Prince Phillip. The idea of sacrificing a baby to enact the dark curse, I mean, wow, that’s really dark, even for OUAT. But it was teased that Snow and Aurora’s baby were somehow tied together.
If Rumple cast the curse himself, he’d still have to sacrifice the thing he loves most, so either Belle or Neal. Belle’s still alive and as far as we can tell, she still has her heart and Neal, well, if Rumple sacrificed Neal’s heart, 3×15 wouldn’t have been necessary.
Other theories?
[adrotate group="5"]April 24, 2014 at 4:19 pm #263584RumplesGirlKeymasterYou still need to sacrifice a heart to make it happen.
Loopholes upon loopholes.
This is a season fraught with talismans and symbolic objects. So let me first just say this: if they go this route, it’s sloppy writing and trying to create more loopholes in something that was once definite. So now that I’ve shielded myself from angry people…We’ve seen that you can use an object that is infused with a characteristic to stand for that trait. Charming’s sword is not actually his courage; it’s a symbol for it. The episode the Jolly Roger was basically (even for me, a HARD CORE SF as @Obisgirl once called me, love you) that Hook’s ship is a big metaphor for Emma and the love he bears for her. Therefore because this show does not posses enough internal logic, we cannot say that he cannot use the JR as a heart. The JR has been infused with the love Hook bears Emma and therefore is a metaphorical heart, not a literal one. They keep saying you must sacrifice a heart, but they don’t specify if it is a literal one or not.
My money is on Hook being tricked and keeping quiet because he’s ashamed that he got taken in by Greenie.
Other possibility: Glinda sacrificed someone she cared about?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 24, 2014 at 4:27 pm #263587obisgirlParticipantokay, if Glinda cast the curse then who’s heart did she sacrifice? Dorothy’s?
I can’t see Snow or Charming enacting the curse either.
April 24, 2014 at 4:38 pm #263591RumplesGirlKeymasterokay, if Glinda cast the curse then who’s heart did she sacrifice? Dorothy’s?
I can’t see Snow or Charming enacting the curse either.
For me, right now, it’s easier to do process of elimination.
So, for ABSOLUTELY NOT: Snow and Charming, Regina (Henry is in NYC), Belle, Neal/Rumple
Why not Neal/Rumple. 1) Rumple isn’t sane enough to sacrifice Neal’s heart nor would he kill his only child 2) The thing Neal loves most is Henry who is in NYC
If it was Glinda then maybe Dorothy or one of the Oz characters? like the Scarecrow?
Philora is disturbing but I admit that the idea of Philip giving his life has its merits. It would also parallel Neal: a man once thought dead comes back only to die at hands of the woman he loves in order to protect their family.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 24, 2014 at 4:46 pm #263593obisgirlParticipantI think Phillip dying again would feel to repetitive. Aurora lost him before and she didn’t take it well (in the beginning). I don’t want to think if Aurora cast the curse, maybe she sacrificed her baby (because again, really dark area) but what would be her motive for wanting the dark curse cast? All casters had their own motive, something they wanted to achieve with the casting of the curse.
With Regina, she wanted to be happy and win for once and everyone else to be miserable.
With Pan, he was just evil and wanted to see everyone suffer and be zombies, I guess.
What would Aurora’s motive be?
April 24, 2014 at 4:54 pm #263597tabsicleParticipantWhy couldn’t it be Walsh? Zelena could have used Walsh just like Rumple did to Regina. I’mo it’d be repetitive. But lets say Walsh wanted to get back to Kansas.. perhaps to parallel the story of the Oz prequel. Maybe to get back to a love, who ended up marrying John Gale presuming Walsh to be dead. But when he gets to our world he finds that his love is long gone, so to get away vōunteers to go watch over Emma.
Time to hide your crazy, and start acting like a lady.
April 24, 2014 at 4:57 pm #263599obisgirlParticipantYou mean Zelena use Walsh’s heart to enact the curse? But we’ve seen monkey Walsh in Storybrooke.
April 24, 2014 at 4:59 pm #263600tabsicleParticipantHow did Walsh get here? Did he not come through with the curse
Time to hide your crazy, and start acting like a lady.
April 24, 2014 at 5:02 pm #263601obisgirlParticipantOh ok. I wasn’t sure what you meant. I think Zelena sent him ahead of the curse to keep an eye on Emma, obviously. She might have not planned at that point to enact the curse but thought it would be a nice safe guard to keep an eye on Emma and make sure she didn’t interfere.
April 24, 2014 at 5:05 pm #263602tabsicleParticipantSo how did he get here? The magic slippers?
Time to hide your crazy, and start acting like a lady.
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