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@Lissy wrote:
If Rumpel is able to see into the future (like knowing about the outcome of the dark curse) why could he not see outcome of his relationship with Belle?
I believe he can see into the future, when he wants to. But when his own emotions are involved (as with Belle or Bae), he is blind. Or you could say, Love is blind. Didn’t he tell Emma that they lose their super powers when their emotions take over? When he can be impartial, yes, he can see into the future. But not at every moment … That’s also why he can’t “see” her now in the basement of the hospital dungeon.
I think he was just too thrown off balance by Belle. He never expected that, never dreamed of love. He wasn’t ready for it when it came. After centuries alone, it takes a little while to change gears! It’s too bad they couldn’t make up after their little spat. I know they would have worked out their differences.
[adrotate group="5"]Vasalisa wrote:Didn’t he tell Emma that they lose their super powers when their emotions take over?
I don’t recall Rumple ever saying anything about Emma’s superpowers. What I recall is both Jennifer Morrison (who plays Emma) and the show’s creators commenting that Emma couldn’t tell Sidney Glass was lying because her emotions clouded her judgement.
Based on that, it’s possible that Rumple allowed his foresight to be clouded by his emotions. We just don’t know enough about his powers though to be certain. For example, how did both Rumple and Snow White know she was expecting a baby girl? Was there sonogram technology in FTL (joke)?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That is the thing. If Snow could somehow know that she was having a girl then that means that information exists somehow so if it exists then Rumpel could have heard about it in a traditional way. He doesn’t need to SEE necessarily to know that. Unless Snow SEES which i don’t think that is true.
I wonder how Snow did know she’d have daughter. Just a feeling? The Blue Fairy telling her? There’s just no way she could’ve found out herself. At least as far as my medical knowledge goes.
@Phee wrote:
He can’t see the future IMO. He decides what he wants to happen, tells people it’s gonna happen, then manipulates them into whatever positions they need to be in to make it happen. End result is it looks like he predicted it when in fact he just engineered the whole situation.
He knew the arrow would hit David because he gave them both the same map, told them both where to go, and I believe that was Cupid’s bow and arrow, so it he knew Snow was destined to shoot Charming with it.
He said he was invested in Snow’s future because he was setting her and Charming up to give him the ingredients to make love, so he could then include their love (ie: Emma) as the antidote to the curse he was planning on creating.
I think that is a fair interpretation. He manipulates situations so they will happen.
One thing that seems very much like future-seeing, and not just knowing how a magic arrow works or predicting human behavior, is knowing Emma would come to Storybrooke on her 28th birthday. Even if he planted the book and maybe somehow subtly suggested to MM that she give it to Henry, and even if he was observing Henry and knew he was piecing together that nobody else in town was getting any older or changing—predicting that Henry would make his way to Boston and find Emma on her 28th birthday and that they would return to SB on that very same day, was an awfully accurate stab in the dark. I agree that Rumple does not see everything about the future, but this one is hard to explain away.
I believe Rumpel can see something of the future. I rewatched the pilot again the other night with my husband who is starting to watch because I talk about the show so much. In the cave when Snow and Charming visited him he seemed to have to work hard to see the future — he squinched his eyes and screwed up his face in an effort to see that it would be on her 28th that she would save them. He didn’t know that by normal means. Snow wanted to go to him because she believed he could see the future, she says so. So, I would say he sees some things. I don’t know if he can see everything. Maybe just enough to manipulate, or maybe what he tries to see. If he doesn’t try, he doesn’t know.
And I do remember Rumpel/ Mr. Gold saying something about emotions “blinding” people from seeing clearly. I think I have seen that more than once, like someone else said it… maybe Sydney
@sjm wrote:
In the cave when Snow and Charming visited him he seemed to have to work hard to see the future — he squinched his eyes and screwed up his face in an effort to see that it would be on her 28th that she would save them. He didn’t know that by normal meas.
We also know that all magic comes with a price, so maybe he doesn’t just go around willy-nilly future-seeing all the time because it costs him something. It was worth it to do the prediction for Snow because Rumple was getting something out of it (her baby’s name).
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