"I’m taking back my son"

[hjbau]

The criminal history is a juvy record and should not even be seen by the judge so that should not be taken into consideration at all.

[Killian Jones]

@romantic_sheep wrote:

Another heavily debated point that hasn’t been raised yet is Emma’s motivations.”And now, I’m going to take away someone you love.” I’m not disputing that she cares for Henry a great deal, but it doesn’t exactly make it seem like her sudden desire for custody is coming from a good, selfless place.

Anyway those are my thoughts. I’d be interested to hear from more people who have different opinions about all of this.

After seeing that scene more than once without the initial elation from seeing Emma actually say what she said her reasoning kinda did rub me the wrong way. I can justify Emma’s emotions at the time by her just feeling like Regina’s dangerous after what she tried to pull with Mary Margaret but in the end it comes off as her going after custody just as much out of spite as concern for Henry. I’m sure we’ll see her intentions are better than that in the end but just for that instance it came off that way. Like she’s gonna start this custody war with Regina to hurt Regina just as much as protect her son.

[eastofthesun]

@steliokontos1 wrote:

@romantic_sheep wrote:

Another heavily debated point that hasn’t been raised yet is Emma’s motivations.”And now, I’m going to take away someone you love.” I’m not disputing that she cares for Henry a great deal, but it doesn’t exactly make it seem like her sudden desire for custody is coming from a good, selfless place.Anyway those are my thoughts. I’d be interested to hear from more people who have different opinions about all of this.

I have to admit that to me it also sounded very harsh and not Emma like…We have seen she is a caring person, and that she cares about Henry…When she said that to Regina it seemed that it was all about making Regina Hurt, rather than saving Henry from a bad situation BUT if you think about it; Emma is smart, maybe she was trying to seem more menacing to Regina by acting like Regina…Make her see that she can play her game even better, if you know what i mean…”anything you can do i can do better” type of thing 😆 ….Im pretty sure Emma loves Henry in her own twisted damaged way so I believe she is worried about him, but wants to make Regina pay for what she did to Mary Margaret also…

[hjbau]

The dialogue seemed to echo to me the dialogue that Regina said to Emma in Ep 11 after Emma did the wrong thing. Emma said “you are going to stay away from him…uh uh i’m talking”. Didn’t Regina say the same thing to Emma in Ep 11? I am going to have to rewatch that part.

[romantic_sheep]

Yeah, I went back and rewatched a couple of scenes. It was kind of a mash-up of “no, you don’t get to speak” from the pilot and “You’re going to stay away from me, and more importantly, Henry” in episode 11. In any case, the way she was speaking did seem very Regina-ish.
@EastOfTheSun wrote:

Emma is smart, maybe she was trying to seem more menacing to Regina by acting like Regina.

It’s interesting, because so far whenever Emma’s has acted like Regina, or “sunk to her level” so to speak, it hasn’t ended well for her.

[an empty heart]

@romantic_sheep wrote:

Yeah, I went back and rewatched a couple of scenes. It was kind of a mash-up of “no, you don’t get to speak” from the pilot and “You’re going to stay away from me, and more importantly, Henry” in episode 11. In any case, the way she was speaking did seem very Regina-ish.
@EastOfTheSun wrote:

Emma is smart, maybe she was trying to seem more menacing to Regina by acting like Regina.

It’s interesting, because so far whenever Emma’s has acted like Regina, or “sunk to her level” so to speak, it hasn’t ended well for her.

I agree. Emma shouldn’t lower herself to Regina’s level. Emma can’t beat her by using the very same tactics that Regina uses. Regina’s been using them for years. So, whatever Emma tries to throw at her, it will backfire.

[hjbau]

We don’t know that Emma is going to lower herself to Regina’s tactics. All Emma did in Ep 11 was some breaking and entering, steal documents, and bugging her office. It isn’t like she killed someone and tried to frame a woman for a murder that never happened. Different levels going on there.

[dorothy]

I’m also slightly worried about Emma’s intentions for a custody battle. I get that Henry’s her son, and yes Regina is the Evil Queen. But is she doing this because she wants to get Henry away from Regina, as in fearing for his safety, or because she just wants to hurt her? And how exactly is she supposed to convince a judge that she’s a more suitable parent than Regina? I know Archie will be more than willing to back Emma for custody, but we still haven’t seen her do anything to Henry that screams “abuse.” Unless Archie drops a bombshell on Emma from his sessions with Henry that actually implies Regina is abusive, I don’t think Emma’s going to win this one.

[hjbau]

I don’t get what you guys want. Did you want Emma to tell Regina that she is afraid she is going to hurt Henry? Why would she put that in Regina’s head? Why would she tell Regina to just use Henry against her?

[killianhookfan]

@hjbau wrote:

The criminal history is a juvy record and should not even be seen by the judge so that should not be taken into consideration at all.

Just as an FYI . . . when it comes to adoption (and that would be what would have to happen – Emma would have to adopt Henry even though she is his biological mother) there is no such thing as a juvy record not being taken into consideration. Every member of a household that an adopted child will be living in must undergo a criminal background check – including minors (over the age of 12 I believe – age may vary by state), and ALL criminal history must be disclosed. It’s been awhile since I went through all of this but I believe they even get into whether you have ever been arrested for something regardless of whether you were convicted. So if Emma is still living with MM, MM will have to undergo a criminal background check including fingerprints, etc. and she would have to disclose that she was arrested for murder.

Also as far as I can tell I don’t believe MM’s apartment meets the requirement for suitable housing for a child. There are square footage requirements which I’m guessing they would meet but I don’t think they have any actual bedrooms. A bedroom would be required for Henry, especially since MM lives there. No way is a social worker allowing a male child to sleep out in the open with a non-family member of the opposite sex present (because they wouldn’t know she really is a family member).

It’s amazing the hoops you have to jump through for adoption. We were adopting from a foreign country and they have body weight limits so that people who are overweight can’t adopt. You also have to go through physical exams and they are very picky about any kind of medical conditions and medications that are taken. If you are taking an anti-depressant, even if you have a note from a physician saying your depression is completely under control, you are out of luck – there is no way you can adopt from many foreign countries.

You also need to have at least 3 personal references from non-family members who have known you for a certain amount of time (in our state I think it was 5 years). Given Emma’s history of not putting down roots and not making friends I doubt she could come up with these.

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