In the name of my brother Favorite & Least Favorite Moments

[Gaultheria]

@BellaRose wrote:

– the doctor dressed as The (4th) Doctor

Really? I missed that, I’ll have to watch it again and see.

Well, I might just be seeing shapes in clouds on this one. I’ll have to re-watch, too. It’s the grave-robbing scene.

On another note, I’m not sure how I feel about Rumpel being Regina’s father, but they practically shouted it, and the Star Wars theme added several exclamation points.

[evilqueen]

After thinking back about the episode, I think I liked Rumple visiting the Black and White world – you could just imagine him being a completely different person! He had this rich cape on (ha! the key art wasn’t fan made!) and took on a posh accent (well, compared to the way he usually speaks), no giggles or anything… I guess he must’ve tried to be really convincing for upper-class Victor to “buy” him…

Agreed with Gaultheria, they were practically shouting in our faces about Regina’s real father! 😆

[Phee]

@Gaultheria wrote:

– Emma banging her head in frustration

That made me 😆 “Not noooooowwww kid, enoooouuuuugh with the book, I’m sleeeeeeepy.”

@AntBee wrote:

-Potential new ship in Frankenwolf. It’s definitely ironic because this time last season, Dr. Whale was such a horn dog for Ruby, but this episode showed that maybe if would have been himself, they might have actually ended up together.

I’m all about Frankenwolf, their scene at the dock was lovely.

-Rumple was very menacing and very on the edge this episode, as he should be, and Robert Carlyle played it perfectly. Yes, it’s out of character for Rumple to shout out threats to kids, but think of the state of mind that he was in to get to that point and it makes sense.

Exactly. Dude is messed up and strung out and on edge, and I thought it was great. I liked how he was instantly resorting to magic to try and fix her, because that was keeping in character for him. And I loved when it didn’t work, because he doesn’t deserve the easy fix. If he’d taken the time to consider what he should do, and looked at this as an opportunity to change, like Belle’s been begging him to, then Chip wouldn’t have ended up getting smashed. I was really sad to see it happen, because that cup was like a sacred object, but that just made the moment all the more powerful. His threat against the Charmings was said out of fear. He fears he’s already lost Belle, and can’t stand the thought of whatever remote chance he has left being destroyed while he’s away. So while it was a truly horrible thing to say, especially in front of Henry, I can see why he did it. He’s running scared, with no control, and can’t use magic to fix it. He’s WAY out of his comfort zone and doesn’t know how to deal. And Rumple should ALWAYS know how to deal. He’s feeling like EPIC FAIL right now.

-Regina falling for Cora’s words. I knew Regina’s redemption was too good to be true. It doesn’t mean she can’t redeem herself later on, but I think this just showed that she needed to do it for her own sake rather than just trying to get Henry back. If she only wants to get better because of Henry and not because she realizes it’s the right thing to do, she’ll likely relapse again like she did in this episode. The same applies to Rumple. If he only does the right thing because he feels he has to, to keep Belle in his life, he’s likely going to fail.

Yes and yes! I did want to slap her for caving so quickly to mother’s manipulations, but unless and until she realises the real reasons she should be wanting to change, that change will be impossible, and this situation was a perfect illustration of that.

-Greg Mendell. I still don’t think he’s a normal outsider even if his phone points to that. I love that we got two mysteries for the price of one so to speak because not only is Mendell’s identity still unknown, but there’s also the mysterious “her”. It could be an acronym. It could be Dorothy, Alice, Tinkerbell, etc. The possibilities are almost endless.

No way is he some regular guy. They’ve set him up too much to look like one, so he’s gotta end up being someone important. I liked them having the Frankenstein story in this ep, because it led to Henry’s conclusion that anyone, from any world, could get to SB. I think that was a nice little setup for the fact that Greg is from some other, storybook related land. *cough*Oz*cough*

-Globe thingy. One step closer to (crossing my fingers) everyone finding out that Neal is Baelfire.

We’ve seen a few globes in his shop before. Perhaps he was trying to turn one of those into a tool like the magical globe?

-Ruby and Dr. Whale talking about how the Curse was sort of a blessing in disguise. I can see how it can be looked at that way in some instances, but I just don’t want them to get too carried away with further whitewashing of Regina’s misdeeds.

I didn’t really look at it as them downplaying Regina’s deeds. I looked at it as adding to the tragedy of it all. Regina sacrificed her soul to make everyone completely miserable. Turns out, they’re not necessarily completely miserable. So Regina’s evilness was in vain. It doesn’t excuse that she did it, it makes it all the more sad what a wretched witch she became, and it didn’t even get her what she wanted.

[Gaultheria]

@Phee wrote:

I think that was a nice little setup for the fact that Greg is from some other, storybook related land. *cough*Oz*cough*

All the talk of science in this episode has to mean something for his name. The real Gregor Mendel studied peas, which are kinda sorta almost beans. Jack, maybe?

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[TheGoldenKey]

@Gaultheria wrote:

@Phee wrote:

I think that was a nice little setup for the fact that Greg is from some other, storybook related land. *cough*Oz*cough*

All the talk of science in this episode has to mean something for his name. The real Gregor Mendel studied peas, which are kinda sorta almost beans. Jack, maybe?

Can’t be Jack. Jack is being played by a female actress named Cassidy Freeman.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[TheGoldenKey]

@Gaultheria wrote:

On another note, I’m not sure how I feel about Rumpel being Regina’s father, but they practically shouted it, and the Star Wars theme added several exclamation points.

I know a lot of people are saying that but I don’t see why. Yes, we know there was to be a kiss between Rumple and Cora. That just showed us that they had an intimate relationship back when Cora was younger.

However, knowing Rumple the way we do, setting up his daughter to cast the dark curse and go through all that misery is something he simply would never do. We know how he feels about Bae and Belle. Why would he feel any differently towards his daughter? Rumple lives for Bae. He’d be living for Reggie as well if she were his.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[nonnie]

@Gaultheria wrote:

I liked this episode a lot. It was dark, but it didn’t take itself too seriously.
Some favourite moments:
– the doctor dressed as The (4th) Doctor
– Disney celebrating its big acquisition from King George
– Emma banging her head in frustration
– the return of Cool Igor

Who is the 4th Doctor you are talking about?

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[nonnie]

-Regina falling for Cora’s words. I knew Regina’s redemption was too good to be true. It doesn’t mean she can’t redeem herself later on, but I think this just showed that she needed to do it for her own sake rather than just trying to get Henry back. If she only wants to get better because of Henry and not because she realizes it’s the right thing to do, she’ll likely relapse again like she did in this episode. The same applies to Rumple. If he only does the right thing because he feels he has to, to keep Belle in his life, he’s likely going to fail.

I think Regina is smart enough to play it down with her mom. Find out what she is after before trys to battle her. On other forums they think that Regina is manipulating Cora by falling in with her plans. .

-The flashbacks were somewhat dull. I feel bad for David Anders because he got saddled with the guy who played his father and the guy who played his brother. The latter was somewhat okay when he was wanting to die, but overall I thought both of them were pretty bad especially compared to Anders.

If you do not like the guest / bit players like the father, the brother… BLAME THE WRITERS…. they frequently write the ancillary characters as flat and uninteresting, barely giving them anything worth while to do or say…. they did that with GASTON, Daniel and several of the Princes and others. They also tend to kill them off quickly. I think they do this to use the actors and actresses as props to the main cast members. If the ancillary players are flat it makes the regular actors who we care about that much better and even if they are not. .
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[antbee]

@NONNIE wrote:

I think Regina is smart enough to play it down with her mom. Find out what she is after before trys to battle her. On other forums they think that Regina is manipulating Cora by falling in with her plans. .

I’ve read that, but I’m not so sure. She is pretty vulnerable right now, and she would do anything to get Henry back in her life. I knew the minute that Emma and Snow came back, and Rumple so easily played on her fears about Henry and being excluded from his life now that Emma was back that she was going to relapse.

Again, just because she relapses, if she does actually relapse, doesn’t mean that she won’t be redeemed, because I actually think that she has a better chance if she relapses and realizes that she shouldn’t try to redeem herself just because she’ll think she’ll win back Henry. She needs to hit rock bottom and realize that she needs to do it because it’s the right thing to do in life.

If you do not like the guest / bit players like the father, the brother… BLAME THE WRITERS…. they frequently write the ancillary characters as flat and uninteresting, barely giving them anything worth while to do or say…. they did that with GASTON, Daniel and several of the Princes and others. They also tend to kill them off quickly. I think they do this to use the actors and actresses as props to the main cast members. If the ancillary players are flat it makes the regular actors who we care about that much better and even if they are not.

Sometimes the writing can be uneven, but since other guest stars don’t seem as terrible as those two did, I don’t think it’s just the uneven writing because actors have risen above it.

[RumplesGirl]

While watching, I was very caught up in it and thought it was great, but now going back through it did have some huge flaws. I can only say that this episode is obviously gearing us up for February sweeps.

–While I think Rumple threatening everyone for Belle was EXTREME, I have to defend him a little. His heart is so broken right now. He thought he finally had it all: he and Belle are in love and in a good place, and he’s becoming a better man, and now he can leave to find Bae. And then it got ripped away and unlike times in the past, he couldn’t fix it. With that said, his threat to the Charmings was rather unexpected.
–When the chipped cup broke…ugh. That hurt. And from Jane Espenson who gave us Skin Deep and Rumbelle in the first place. That one surprised me. And I really wanted him to at least pick up the pieces. Show that he will fight for her, that he hasn’t given up hope on them. Because now how does he get her back? She’s so freaked out about him.
–The flashbacks didn’t do much for me. And it’s obvious we’ll be revisiting Frankenstein’s world again to see how Gerherdt dies the second time. The only good part of the flashbacks was Rumple. He was VERY Rumple-y in them.
–The scene between Cora and Regina, I need to rewatch that again and again cause I feel like I’m missing something b/c I was waiting for the kiss we all knew was coming. And I think the writers are trying to make us think Rumple is Regina’s father, but I really don’t think the writers are going to go there. It’s far too complicated, far too weird, especially after his slightly flirtatious nature in We Are Both. To make him her father just takes an already messed up family tree and makes it soap opera-y and I have more faith in the writers than that.
–The Outsider wasn’t given much to do, but I am interested in who this “HER” is and who he is. Still don’t think he is an ordinary guy. My money is on the Wizard of Oz
–I liked Regina holding her own, but knew it wouldn’t last. She is manipulated easily.
–Oh, and Whale being dressed like the 4th Doctor was fantastic. Tom Baker is my favorite classic, and it was very appropriate since yesterday was Baker’s birthday

Over all this episode speaks to the theme of the season so far which is what does it mean for someone or something to be broken. How does that shape your decisions? When Regina is “broken” her relies on someone stronger than herself to guide her, whether that be Rumple and being manipulated or now Cora and again allowing herself to be manipulated. With Rumple, when he is broken, he goes darker and more sinister to protect his very broken heart. In my opinion he only truly became the Dark One after he lost Bae. Now he’s lost Belle, again, and his default is to go extremely dark. RC played this episode perfectly. So on edge and angry, I loved his “it’s a good thing I don’t give a damn” line because he was spewing anger and resentement, just like he should have.

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