Initial reactions.

[bellarose]

I do agree that this wasn’t the best episode but with Bae gone Belle was the only one keeping his human side there so when he relised that she lost her memories he reverted to how he would have handled things in Fairytale land/Enchanted Forrest back when he didn’t have anyone, by ripping everyone away form there family and theatening to kill them.
But I do agree, It wasn’t my favorite.

[Gaultheria]

@NONNIE wrote:

If they have magic give him a “forgetting spell.”

They have a make-everyone-forget-everything spell, but it’s expensive, and it’s maybe only available as a bulk purchase. But they should at least try pushing the new guy back across the line. Maybe he’d forget all about magic. Or they could show him lots of magic, lots and lots, all the time, and then let him talk to people back home.

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[TheGoldenKey]

I loved this episode for many reasons.

1) love all the nods to Star Wars. From the ringtone of Greg’s cellphone, to the star on his charger to the hospital room # R2 42 being R2 D2.

2) With Leroy and Dr. Whale considering the alternative, it just showed how vulnerable they were when it came to dealing with the real world. Leroy showed fear and Dr. Whale showed he was despondent and uninterested in what lay ahead. Let him die, save him, who cares type of attitude.

3) We see Dr. Whale torn away from his family, wanting to go home and find a remedy for his brother but feeling that all is lost. I especially loved how he and Ruby ended up bonding and found her line “I ate my boyfriend” comical.

4) I thought Belle was great as an amnesia victim. Her confusion and fear were certainly showing.

5) Robert Carlyle was superb showing Rumples vulnerabilities and pain when it comes to Belle and how it translate to anger and frustration towards the rest of the townfolk.

6) That kiss between Cora and Rumple. Did you see his face? LOL! Jane Espenson said it was like he was staring at a giant tumor! 😆

7) Cora and Reggie. Great scenes! Not sure how far Reggie will go but hopefully will stop in the nick of time.

8) Greg on the phone. I could almost hear the theme to Jaws…………going to get really interesting with an outsider there. Will they catch on that he knows and will they let him leave? Or will he decide to stay and do some snooping around?

All in all, I enjoyed it. I loved how they wrapped the Frankenstein story into things. Makes it easier for other stories from other worlds and books to come in the future. I especially love how they have Henry addressing the whole “but Frankenstein isn’t in the book?”” How many times have we heard that over the last few months. I guess they’ve let us know, in no uncertain terms, it’s about STORY BOOK characters and not just fairy tales.

Hmmm…..very tired and not sure whether I’ll look at this in the morning and say to myself “what the heck did you write!!! 😆 Please excuse the spelling as well:) Nite all.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Gaultheria]

“Red Whale?” Lame.
“Frankenwolf?” Nahhhh.
Call it Wolfenstein.

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[TheGoldenKey]

Back when we thought he was the wolf, before Red Handed aired, I called him the WhaleWolf. Saw his twitter tonight and seems to be the name he likes most out of all the ships. I’m flattered. 🙂 PS mind you, when I was calling him that back then, I never intended it to be a ship between him and red. Funny how things turn out sometimes.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[nonnie]

@Gaultheria wrote:

@NONNIE wrote:

If they have magic give him a “forgetting spell.”

They have a make-everyone-forget-everything spell, but it’s expensive, and it’s maybe only available as a bulk purchase. But they should at least try pushing the new guy back across the line. Maybe he’d forget all about magic. Or they could show him lots of magic, lots and lots, all the time, and then let him talk to people back home.

Great idea… they might need a bulk supply if just anybody can come to town…..

I like the idea of showing the guy lots of magic ….. People back home will think he had lost it if he is dumb enough to talk about it…. good plan.

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[antbee]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Back when we thought he was the wolf, before Red Handed aired, I called him the WhaleWolf. Saw his twitter tonight and seems to be the name he likes most out of all the ships. I’m flattered. 🙂 PS mind you, when I was calling him that back then, I never intended it to be a ship between him and red. Funny how things turn out sometimes.

Yes, I wouldn’t have shipped it last season even if David Anders always made me laugh even when he’s being a pervert, but I can see it now after they’ve talked to each other as equals.

Plus, other than Archie, who I’ve seen as asexual for some reason, there really hasn’t been anyone on the show to ship Red with that is on a similar level that she is in terms of screen time, seems like they’ll be on the show long term like she probably will be, and that doesn’t already have a true love other than Dr. Whale right now.

[jasperann]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

I loved this episode for many reasons.

1) love all the nods to Star Wars. From the ringtone of Greg’s cellphone, to the star on his charger to the hospital room # R2 42 being R2 D2.

2) With Leroy and Dr. Whale considering the alternative, it just showed how vulnerable they were when it came to dealing with the real world. Leroy showed fear and Dr. Whale showed he was despondent and uninterested in what lay ahead. Let him die, save him, who cares type of attitude.

3) We see Dr. Whale torn away from his family, wanting to go home and find a remedy for his brother but feeling that all is lost. I especially loved how he and Ruby ended up bonding and found her line “I ate my boyfriend” comical.

4) I thought Belle was great as an amnesia victim. Her confusion and fear were certainly showing.

5) Robert Carlyle was superb showing Rumples vulnerabilities and pain when it comes to Belle and how it translate to anger and frustration towards the rest of the townfolk.

6) That kiss between Cora and Rumple. Did you see his face? LOL! Jane Espenson said it was like he was staring at a giant tumor! 😆

7) Cora and Reggie. Great scenes! Not sure how far Reggie will go but hopefully will stop in the nick of time.

8) Greg on the phone. I could almost hear the theme to Jaws…………going to get really interesting with an outsider there. Will they catch on that he knows and will they let him leave? Or will he decide to stay and do some snooping around?

All in all, I enjoyed it. I loved how they wrapped the Frankenstein story into things. Makes it easier for other stories from other worlds and books to come in the future. I especially love how they have Henry addressing the whole “but Frankenstein isn’t in the book?”” How many times have we heard that over the last few months. I guess they’ve let us know, in no uncertain terms, it’s about STORY BOOK characters and not just fairy tales.

Hmmm…..very tired and not sure whether I’ll look at this in the morning and say to myself “what the heck did you write!!! 😆 Please excuse the spelling as well:) Nite all.

I have to say that I agree!! I think the only part that I really didn’t care for was the black and white parts… although I really felt for Dr. Whales brother how sad.

Other things that I really liked were Hook still finding it in him to flirt with Emma while laying on the ground and just being hit by a car. I thought Emma’s reactions were perfect, she looked at him like he was a crazy person. 😆

Then Emma at the hospital when they were bringing them in and she is like “find a room and hide him!” that was great! I know she said it because Rumple would have killed him if he wasn’t hidden, but really how big is the hospital?!?! Someone on a rage would have be able to find someone in a hospital if they really wanted too.

The thing that has me thinking this morning though is the very end. Rumple first said that if he stays any longer that he would Kill Hook… now if Emma or the Charmings do not CARE if Hook is alive or dead how would that be a good threat? The look on Emma’s face when he says it reveals that she feels SOMETHING (not exactly sure what). Then he threatens to kill the whole family if something happens to Belle while he is gone. Why is he leaving??? She was just shot and doesn’t remember him, why would he just give up on his ‘true love’? Yes I understand he needs to find his son, but he has waited so long (hundreds of years), what is a few more weeks? Especially since he knows there is a possible huge threat to her in the same hospital as her right now. It just doesn’t sit well for me. It is like he is saying I know she is in danger, but I’m going to leave anyways and if she happens to die while I am gone, that is okay I will just kill this whole family and it will make it better… Seriously?!?!

😆 I guess the last five minutes brought up a lot of questions for me… I didn’t realize I need to vent until I started typing. 😆

[Myril]

Another more transitional episode. Some funny moments, some interesting moments, and more questions than answers. Not an episode to love on first sight, but think, it’s worth a couple of more looks.

Having a thing for old black and white movies, and for early monster movies, so liked the look of the flashbacks. Liked that Rumple stood out being in color red, although it made me wonder why on the other hand Frankenstein had color when he came to the Enchanted Forest. Probably one of those insignificant technicalities only geeks lose sleep over 😉

Speaking of: Who called 911? Or have they set up some hidden alarm system at the town line? SnowCharmingSwan SWAT team was there in no time, impressive.

Liked the little moment at the hospital showing Grumpy particular cares about Belle. Remember here or in some other forum someone already wondered, if they would tie it in, that the two have met and helped each other.

The watch Gerhard got was a pocket watch, while Whale later threw a wrist watch into the water, the later watch actually belonged to Greg (there is a scene with David earlier, in which Whale is musing about it). So it was not the same watch. Maybe the watch is not at all important besides that it reminded Whale here of what happened with his brother. Or maybe there is more to it. Noticed as well in the episode before, that the very moment the stranger, Greg, crossed the line into Storybrooke, a thunderstorm started. Hardly any coincedence.

Would freak out like Belle when waking up after an accident in hospital and some strange creep is kissing me. Her reactions later in the episode, when Rumple tried to jog her memory with the chipped cup made me think, there is more than amnesia going on. Actually, she does not really suffer amnesia, because she does remember something, but memories of a different personality, not her Fairy Tale Lands identity. She reacted like someone afraid of a newly mental breakdown. So maybe her Storybrooke personality always kinda has remembered, foggy bits and pieces, but has been thinking, those are not memories of real events but of halluzinations and illusions, believing that maybe she was crazy, possible diagnose schizophrenic. Hearing Rumple now talk of castles and magic makes her feel like she’s having a relapse. So she’s getting angsty and angry.

Rumple’s evil sides coming out more obviously again – of course, he is desperate. Desperate about Belle, Hook sure has hit his heart. He probably tried true love’s kiss, hoped it to work, and that is a big thing for Rumple to even try. Remember what happened in the Fairy Tale Lands when Belle kissed him? The curse of the Dark One was starting to break. So if he seriously hoped for true loves effect in this moment, it meant, he was risking his powers. It didn’t work though. Maybe because of him too. For sure because Belle doesn’t remember a thing about him. Thanks that the writers don’t think, that just one kiss makes people fall in love.

When Rumple threatened the Charmings that was not unexpected, that is the Dark One. He is there, he is slowly taking over again, and it’s happening now, when Rumple is eventually about to find his lost son. Bad timing for him. Will be interesting to see what’s going to happen, expect no quick, all happy family reunion. (they keep it intersting)

Cora meant what she was saying, she wasn’t lying to Regina, doesn’t change that she wants her daughter all for herself, her absolute love, and define what is her happiness, without regards for Regina and certainly not for anybody else. Cora will do everything for it. She never will share her daughters love with Henry either.

Regina, all torn about her mother. Yes, she is inconsistent, and weak and vulnerable when it comes to Cora, and even when she manages to stand up for a moment it doesn’t take long for her to cave in. That is not bad writing, that is a portrait of a codependency (that is a psychological condition in which one person is controlled and manipulated by another having mostly some sort of pathologcial condition, often drug addiction or narcissism). Doesn’t excuse anything Regina has done and is doing, but it explains a lot.

Know that some think Jared Gilmore’s acting is not all gold, but think when he played Cora as Henry he did some good job. There was something slightly off in his body language and movement giving away early it was Cora in disguise. Not sure if this was intentionally but besides that I missed Henry’s bagpack as well, making me think, that was not him.

Rumple and Cora. We guessed there is some more story between those two, I always had a hunch some close relationship even – why all the horror about the kiss? Come on, not only the young and beautiful are kissing, get a grip. I was wondering, how Regina knew about true love’s kiss eventually working on Rumple / The Dark One, she suggested it to Belle – maybe just a good guess, but it sounded like she was quite sure about it. And Regina said something to Belle in that scene in the episode “Skin Deep” (1×12): “master and lover”. Now Cora called Rumple half jokingly master. That scene in the shop between Cora and Rumple was so interesting, they sure have some history. Anyone else even more curious now?

And what a setup by Cora. Getting Rumple out of her way. Rumple, he who is toying and manipulating people now for centuries is played by his apprentice. Oh dearie. Doubt that Cora is done with him, but right now she has what she wants first, Rumple out of town and time to work on her daughter.

Whale and Ruby – still think she deserves far better, but at least he proved to be not all of a douchbag. Monster to monster bonding.

Interesting that Ruby voiced, that maybe Regina did them a favor without wanting too, offering a new fresh start. To be expected somewhat from Ruby, but at the same time she is one of those who have to fear the most if the real world will ever find out about magic Storybrooke. Showing that things are far from simple, staying might be as attractive for some as going back.

The flashbacks. Nice that they fleshed out Whale’s story, tied in quite nicely with the present Storybrooke dilemma of helping or letting someone die, and Whale stressing out about that saving one person seems to end up in his experience in killing someone else. Everything has a price. Whatever we do has consequences. While Whale though doubts it’s worth it and fate maybe is something better not to tempt, Rumple and Cora have a different attitude.

It’s an interesting motif in this episode: losing hope and regaining it. Whale, Rumple, Regina – all close to lose hope about something. In the end Whale regains some hope, doesn’T kill himself but saves the stranger, Rumple gets distracted from the seemingless hopeless situation with Belle by looking for his son, Regina gets some delusive hope offered by her mother.

The stranger. Greg Mendell. Well, we will have plenty of time to talk about him, have we, something to fill the break.

Emma has some medical knowledge. Very normal for a former bail bond person and now sheriff. Just kidding. It was funny to hear her “diagnose” at the scene of accident that Hook has broken rips though. So had a giggle with that little moment when Emma came to interview Greg. Nope, no nurse. (btw, Lana Parilla as well played a doctor before, the series though never made it beyond first season) 😛

When Henry was geeking and babbling was hilarious. As normal as it can get in this family. “Eat, I really want to go to bed”, haha, Emma nailed it. Who wouldn’t have liked at some point in the show to shout at Henry: shut up, clever boy! And the headdesk moment – priceless. 😆

Nods to pop culture – should make any geek swoon. Little candy like the Star Wars ringtone (so, Greg is pressumably a geek. Didn’t catch the R2 42 – nice one TheGoldenKey! Movies scary for aliens, uhm any magical beings. Splash – another tease for mermaids. And thanks precocious Henry everybody watching the show should now know, that Frankenstein was not the one with neck bolts! Thank you!

And that was a broad hint, so all now know what we guessed for a while : there are not just fairy tale characters in this story. Phew, clarification was so overdue. Finally my geeky soul can rest at peace at night again. Or not. :geek:

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[PriceofMagic]

I really enjoyed this episode.

Rumple’s behaviour in this episode is understandable. He’s hurting so he’s lashing out at those around him. His head is in a spin in regards to Belle. Chronologically the Storybrooke scenes take place on the same night as the Outsider. One minute he has Belle, the woman he loves who loves him in return, the next she doesn’t know who he is. He wants her back. He tried magic, his solution to all problems, and it hasn’t worked. He genuinely doesn’t know what to do. Him setting off to find Bae is probably the best thing for him and Belle at the moment. She’s terrified of him and if he stayed in Storybrooke, he wouldn’t be able to keep away from her and the hospital. He’s giving them both some space. His threat to the Charmings, whilst not right, is him ensuring Belle remains safe. He’s not going to be there to protect her so he needs the next best thing. I think when Belle smashed the cup, Rumple realised he wasn’t helping the situation and was only making it worse. He had to leave, and whilst he may have said it was to stop him killing Hook, the real reason is that it hurt too much to be near Belle.

The flashback scenes of Whale were nicely done. I felt so sorry for him. The only time his father showed him any sort of love was when he thought Victor had brought back his favourite son. When that didn’t work out, he treated Victor like crap again. No wonder Victor let his brother kill his father.

Cora- How does Cora know about Bae? She played on both Rumple’s and Cora’s wants and fears to get what she wanted. I fear for Henry’s well-being with Cora around. She may use him as an excuse to get Regina into line but he will be the only thing between Regina redeeming herself and Regina being dependent on Cora.

Hook is playing with fire. He’s hurt Belle and chances are, when Bae arrives on the scene, Hook is going to go after him as well. Nothing is more dangerous than a wounded animal and it won’t take long until Hook’s “crocodile” bites back. If it weren’t for the Charmings, Hook would be dead at the roadside because of Rumple.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

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