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Myril–I don’t know that Rumple risked his powers by kissing Belle–I remember that they kissed at the well in “Broken” and nothing of the sort happened.
As for Cora and Rumple’s kiss, I’m suddenly reminded by someone’s avatar that in Supernatural, demons always seal deals with a kiss. Is this perhaps some kind of demon/Devil reference on Once?
[adrotate group="5"]Loved this episode.
I don’t think Rumple was making a threat when he said he needed to leave before he killed Hook. He was expressing his struggle to honor Belle’s wishes about not killing. He’s hurt, frustrated, angry, and very much on the edge of what he can take. He immediately healed her wound with magic, so that wasn’t an issue to hold him back. His efforts to help her remember backfired, so his presence at Belle’s bedside isn’t helpful. Cora is in town, and that puts him in a bad spot. Trying to find Bae now makes perfect sense, because Bae is the other presence in Rumple’s life who humanizes him. He knows where Bae is right now but has no guarantee that Bae will stay there. It’s a perfect desperation move. Rumple knows that if he doesn’t leave now he stands to lose everything he has with Belle by succumbing to his fury. His threat is quite scary, because it shows how close the Dark One still is. Not sure if it’s more like Hook is poking a sleeping dragon with a stick or if he’s poking an A-bomb.
Loved the Frankenstein story to show us what drives Whale. Can’t wait to see what happened after he couldn’t kill Gerhardt. I can’t imagine that he’s been sitting in that cell for the last 28 years thinking, “Dinner’s awfully late. Isn’t Victor going to feed me?” Instead I rather suspect that not letting Gerhardt go then led to bigger tragedies still to be revealed. After the events of The Doctor, Whale has every reason to have gone on a downward spiral. His dream of bringing life was crushed. He couldn’t help his brother yet again. His name is associated with a monster. He’s had to eat his pride with Rumple to get his arm reattached. This case reminds him of his past and the mistakes he seems unable to fix. Hardest of all is that so far he is the only character without any friends from FTL. Until he and Ruby do their monster bonding, he has no friends or confidants to turn to.
While a case can be made for Regina trusting too quickly in her mom, it’s also been established that Regina does love Cora and have a twisted need for her approval and affection. Regina is emotionally vulnerable right now and afraid of losing her son. Even with their terrible past, it’s human to crave a mother’s presence and comfort in times of trouble. Cora plays on that while exploding Regina’s insecurities. She knows her daughter better than anybody, with the possible exception of Rumple who might be her equal there.
Lots to think about for the next three weeks at least.
Rumple’s behaviour in this episode is understandable. He’s hurting so he’s lashing out at those around him. His head is in a spin in regards to Belle. Chronologically the Storybrooke scenes take place on the same night as the Outsider. One minute he has Belle, the woman he loves who loves him in return, the next she doesn’t know who he is. He wants her back. He tried magic, his solution to all problems, and it hasn’t worked.He genuinely doesn’t know what to do. Him setting off to find Bae is probably the best thing for him and Belle at the moment. She’s terrified of him and if he stayed in Storybrooke, he wouldn’t be able to keep away from her and the hospital. He’s giving them both some space. His threat to the Charmings, whilst not right, is him ensuring Belle remains safe. He’s not going to be there to protect her so he needs the next best thing. I think when Belle smashed the cup, Rumple realised he wasn’t helping the situation and was only making it worse. He had to leave, and whilst he may have said it was to stop him killing Hook, the real reason is that it hurt too much to be near Belle.
Price of magic. I completely agree with you.
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@myril wrote:
Regina, all torn about her mother. Yes, she is inconsistent, and weak and vulnerable when it comes to Cora, and even when she manages to stand up for a moment it doesn’t take long for her to cave in.
We might find out that Regina already knew about Cora and was prepared to play the expected role. Regina can see through any mirror in town, and Cora and Hook weren’t as careful about concealing themselves as they should have been. Hook’s hook might even be shiny enough to connect to the network. Also, real Henry was determined to find Regina after real Archie showed up.
@myril wrote:
Emma has some medical knowledge. Very normal for a former bail bond person and now sheriff. Just kidding.
It actually would be normal, though, wouldn’t it? As sheriff, she’s a first responder.
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@myril wrote:
Regina, all torn about her mother. Yes, she is inconsistent, and weak and vulnerable when it comes to Cora, and even when she manages to stand up for a moment it doesn’t take long for her to cave in.
We might find out that Regina already knew about Cora and was prepared to play the expected role. Regina can see through any mirror in town, and Cora and Hook weren’t as careful about concealing themselves as they should have been. Hook’s hook might even be shiny enough to connect to the network. Also, real Henry was determined to find Regina after real Archie showed up
See a case of codependency here, as I said. Cora knows very well how to push Regina’s buttons, and she did. I don’t think that Regina knew Cora was around. She might have wondered if, but to me Regina looked genuily surprised and scared, than angry. She might not fully trust her mother, but a part of her wants to believe her. Right, in the Enchanted Forest Regina was able to see through mirrors and used them to do some magic, but think we haven’t seen that in Storybrooke so far. Magic works differently in our world, so I’m not so sure the she can use mirrors like in the Enchanted Forest.
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@myril wrote:
Emma has some medical knowledge. Very normal for a former bail bond person and now sheriff. Just kidding.
It actually would be normal, though, wouldn’t it? As sheriff, she’s a first responder.
A sheriff probably should, and should have some training in other things as well, trainings Emma maybe doesnt have, but that was not my mind. I just found these moments funny considering that Jennifer Morrison became known to many as Dr. Cameron in the medical drama series House. Sorry when my humor sometimes isn’t so apparant.
@jessista wrote:
Myril–I don’t know that Rumple risked his powers by kissing Belle–I remember that they kissed at the well in “Broken” and nothing of the sort happened.
Forgot about that kiss. Hmmm. Was just wondering, why Rumple did kiss Belle there in the hospital, it had a touch of desperation. So this theory came to my mind.
As for Cora and Rumple’s kiss, I’m suddenly reminded by someone’s avatar that in Supernatural, demons always seal deals with a kiss. Is this perhaps some kind of demon/Devil reference on Once?
Had that idea too, but then thought, that it would be a tad too dark for this show, not really the show’s style to go into that kind of mythology in my opinion. It wasn’t love’s kiss now, for sure not, maybe never was, but looks like these two have some complicate relationship on many levels. I do though still ponder, if Cora was playing some kind of trick on Rumple. Doubt it was sentimentality that made her kiss him. And I’m quite sure she was lying when she said, she knows only what Rumble taught her.
BeastWhisperer and PriceofMagic – liked both your analyses of Rumple’s behavior.
Oh, and BeastWhisperer I too was wondering, what about monster Gerhardt, was he kinda alive when the curse struck? It makes some sense, Whale seemed pretty desperate to get back to his land, to his brother. But what did monster Gerhardt do the past 28 years, where was he?
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@AntBee wrote:
Plus, other than Archie, who I’ve seen as asexual for some reason,
Are crickets like stick insects where the male has his head bitten off in the process of doing the deed? If so, I wouldn’t blame him for steering clear of that nonsense. 😛 *googling* OK, they don’t get their heads bitten off but…
Even more interesting, is recent research that shows male crickets displaying chivalry and sacrificing their lives to save their mates. Apparently, “ladies first” is a cricket motto. When danger approaches, male crickets will wait for their mate to enter the burrow first. Reportedly, mated males are eaten more often than virgin males.
Archie’s wise to stay away from the ladies as a means of self preservation.
@myril wrote:
The watch Gerhard got was a pocket watch, while Whale later threw a wrist watch into the water, the later watch actually belonged to Greg (there is a scene with David earlier, in which Whale is musing about it). So it was not the same watch. Maybe the watch is not at all important besides that it reminded Whale here of what happened with his brother. Or maybe there is more to it.
The scene where Gerhardt is given the pocket watch was released as a sneak peek before the ep aired, and some of us in the spoiler section had wondered if it might have been a nod to the White Rabbit somehow. Having seen the whole ep now, and seeing that they repeated the theme of the watch with Viktor in SB, it’s made me even more curious about its significance.
Before the ep, I’d wondered if their grandfather, (the original owner of the pocket watch) had been the White Rabbit, especially if he’d been a soldier with the same white uniform that Gerhardt wore. The brothers recognised the watch as being something very valuable, so I was thinking perhaps it worked similarly to Jefferson’s hat as a portal device. When Viktor tossed that other watch into the water in SB, it reminded me of Hook tossing the bean in the water and opening the portal, and I wondered if Viktor was perhaps performing the action in memory of the old pocket watch, dreaming that it would take him away if he jumped in after it. I’ve gotta go back and rewatch the scene with Rumple and Viktor, to see if he was surprised about the ability for people to jump between worlds or not.
Know that some think Jared Gilmore’s acting is not all gold, but think when he played Cora as Henry he did some good job. There was something slightly off in his body language and movement giving away early it was Cora in disguise.
Yes, Jared’s acting is sometimes a bit off, (I can give him a pass coz he’s just a kid), but he nailed it in that scene. I loved his expression right before he transformed into Cora.
Rumple and Cora. We guessed there is some more story between those two, I always had a hunch some close relationship even – why all the horror about the kiss? Come on, not only the young and beautiful are kissing, get a grip. I was wondering, how Regina knew about true love’s kiss eventually working on Rumple / The Dark One, she suggested it to Belle – maybe just a good guess, but it sounded like she was quite sure about it. And Regina said something to Belle in that scene in the episode “Skin Deep” (1×12): “master and lover”. Now Cora called Rumple half jokingly master. That scene in the shop between Cora and Rumple was so interesting, they sure have some history. Anyone else even more curious now?
The horror over the kiss is because Rumbelle fans don’t like him kissing anyone else, and most don’t want this to be foreshadowing that he’s Regina’s father. Good catch about the repeat use of the word “master” from Skin Deep. That could potentially hint that Regina was aware of the intimate nature of Cora and Rumple’s relationship. If so, it makes me more sure that Rumple will not be revealed as being her father. If there was ever a question of paternity, I imagine it was cleared up and it was confirmed that Henry is her father.
And what a setup by Cora. Getting Rumple out of her way. Rumple, he who is toying and manipulating people now for centuries is played by his apprentice. Oh dearie.
Maybe that’s why she scares me more than any other character has, because no one should be able to get the better of Rumple, and yet she does it like a pro.
And thanks precocious Henry everybody watching the show should now know, that Frankenstein was not the one with neck bolts! Thank you!
Viktor’s line to Red about being known as the monster when he’d wanted his name to stand for life is a nod to this as well. Who knew it’d be possible to feel such sympathy for Dr Frankenstein of all people, but I totally do.
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@Gaultheria wrote:
@myril wrote:
Regina, all torn about her mother. Yes, she is inconsistent, and weak and vulnerable when it comes to Cora, and even when she manages to stand up for a moment it doesn’t take long for her to cave in.
We might find out that Regina already knew about Cora and was prepared to play the expected role. Regina can see through any mirror in town, and Cora and Hook weren’t as careful about concealing themselves as they should have been. Hook’s hook might even be shiny enough to connect to the network. Also, real Henry was determined to find Regina after real Archie showed up
See a case of codependency here, as I said. Cora knows very well how to push Regina’s buttons, and she did. I don’t think that Regina knew Cora was around. She might have wondered if, but to me Regina looked genuily surprised and scared, than angry. She might not fully trust her mother, but a part of her wants to believe her. Right, in the Enchanted Forest Regina was able to see through mirrors and used them to do some magic, but think we haven’t seen that in Storybrooke so far. Magic works differently in our world, so I’m not so sure the she can use mirrors like in the Enchanted Forest.
I doubt she’d already known that Cora was in town, but I’m starting to wonder if Regina’s change of mood in the car was her formulating a plan to trap Cora somehow, with the aim of killing her.
Interesting episode. I saw it a day late as I was out of town at my cousin’s wedding on Sunday. The wait drove me crazy, and then the episode only gave a little taste of what I was so eager to see- what Belle would be like without her memories. I’m really not into the whole Frankenstein storyline at all, although I did like the little moment between him and Red. I did like the Storybrooke plot, although I was disappointed about Regina going back to her mother. I had been so proud of her for her initial rejection.
I don’t think Cora is lying here…she really does want her daughter back and wants to reconnect. She just knows no other way to go about it besides her usual manipulation.
What was up with Cora and Rumpel?! There is certainly a story to tell there! (I really hope Rumpel isn’t Regina’s dad…there is something very disturbing about that idea, and it isn’t something I want to see.)
Rumpel trying to get Belle to remember was just heartbreaking! First, he tries true love’s kiss, which doesn’t work because she has to love him back- much the way Snow White didn’t remember Charming in “Heart of Darkness.” I love how Belle was just about to smile until she woke up and screamed. I don’t blame her- I’d scream too if i woke up to some strange guy kissing me on the lips! Then he tries the cup…I wonder what sort of charm he put on it. When Belle smashed the cup, the look on Rumpel’s face was as if someone just tore his heart out. I almost cried. It’s amazing how this show can make you feel for a character who does such horrible things. Now, without Belle there in spirit, he is starting to revert back to his dark ways- that is why he threatened the Charmings. I hope that he learns that he must earn Belle’s love back in order to get her memories back. I want to see his tender side.
It will be very interesting to see Emma and Gold out in the real world…and I very much believe and hope that Neal is Bae. I want to see Rumpel’s reaction when he realizes Henry is his grandson.
The Charming family was very amusing to watch this episode. I am loving having them reunited- and Emma and Snow discovering what happened while they were gone was priceless.
I think Greg is a real outsider- he does not come across as someone with any connections to Storybrooke.
I had pointed out that Rumple saying he was going to kill Hook if he stayed had a reaction from Emma. I know a lot of you don’t think that I wasn’t on the right path or thinking the right thing. But I just got done listening to an Interview with Jane Espenson from last night (Blog TV I think). Acaller actually asked her about it during the show and she said that was a good catch and more would be revealed later. I personally can't wait to see how it turns out…maybe Emma has some feelings for Hook she hasn't realized and Rumple can sense it? I am so reaching here… 😆 😆 😆
I just really wanted to share what I had heard.
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