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I go back and forth with Henry, I really do. I’m ok with how upset he is with Emma, it’s a pretty big lie she told and given Henry’s tendency to hero worship, it hurts him even more. I think some of the lines he’s been given to deliver are what’s causing the backlash. That pizza line from The Queen is Dead felt cheesy (pun intended) and just out of place. I think he still really loves Emma and thinks she is the good guy in this story, but he’s upset. I think last night showed how conflicted he is over his family. He does love Regina, but he’s a great kid with a huge heart who loves anyone who is suddenly a part of his family. I bet he even cares for Rumple, though Rumple would never let him show it. I think he really just wants everyone to get along. And as far as never being disciplined, Emma is still learning how to be a parent. I think she’s afraid to discipline him because Regina did that look how that turned out for her. They want to be the heroes in his life so they let him act out, so I think blame is going in many directions right now.
I actually thought this was one of Jared’s better episodes. He’s very young and still learning so I think we need to be patient with him. He’s 11 and for a kid that young to be dealt this big a role, I think he’s improving.[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The episode played out much as I expected, but in a good way.
The flashbacks to 1983, the first days of Storybrooke were interesting. So they lived in a groundhog day situation, the same day repeating for 28 years but with subtle changes every day (see the flowers Mary Margaret put on the night stand, Gepetto doing things slightly different every time, should have some fun to notice all differences). Made me wonder, how much the day changed over the period of 28 years. And at the very beginning there was as an unplanned variable in the mix two outsiders, a father and his son. In the end we get to see that Storybrooke didn’t exist for the outside world, what nevertheless didn’t answer some questions. Somehow all this made me think of entropy and laws of thermodynamics – and that was the point I had to remind myself that I’m watching a fantasy show here, fairy tales not even science fiction. 😆
Of course Regina was getting frustrated, because Storybrooke didn’t offer what she was and still is looking for (come on, it’s a show about true love and happy endings, right ;)). Said it herself: “It’s not real”. Yup. But despite sometimes seeing it she falls back on trying to get it with magic again and again. At least this time in present time she didn’t enact the curse she was planning to use to make Henry love her and destroyed the parchment. Maybe progress.
Anyone else wondering if Cora had that curse because she herself was pondering to use it on Regina, as last resource maybe?
Rant: After reading what Horowitz said on Twitter about allegations that Regina basically raped Graham, I already was somewhat taken aback of him talking it away and denying. Was ready to give the writers nevertheless benefit of doubt and wait what they will show in this episode. Now think even more that sadly they don’t get the point. Graham wasn’t acting on free will, he was under the curse. It doesn’t matter that Regina maybe didn’t use his heart to get him into her bed, it doesn’t change that Graham wasn’t acting on his own free will, he was unable to give consent – and that makes it basically rape. Just because he didn’t say loud and willingly no to her doesn’t make it a yes. He might even have enjoyed it as his cursed self, but still that doesn’t make it an act of consent. It’s like he was under constant influence of heavy drugs – and anyone saying that in this condition someone truly could give consent has a very warped kind of ethics in this matter (but knowing how many tell women not to get drunk or they shouldn’t be surprised what happens to them … sadly there might be way too many people thinking it). Guess, hope the writers would have agree with that someone under influence can’t be free to give consent, so it is sad that they don’t see the point if it comes to Regina and Graham. The problem is not, that they wrote Regina this way, doing such evil things, the problem is not to name it as what it is.
Greg is Owen – no surprise there. Instead of a father obsessively looking for his son (Rumple for Bae) with Greg / Owen we have a son obsessively looking for his father. Could make for an interesting comparison.
But what a bad camper Kurt was – hidding in a tent when a heavy thunderstorm is approaching is such a brilliant idea particular when havin a perfect faraday cage at hand in form of your own car. 😉
Henry has the one good, but impractical idea of the day: get rid of magic (he is his father’s son). Yes, we grown-ups all know it’s not that simple, well isn’t it? 😉 Wouldn’t call Henry the voice of reason though (because people can find good enough reasons to kill each other, they do), more the voice of hope and faith.
Interesting what Rumple answers to Mary Margret: “You tell yourself you did the right thing. And if you say it often enough, one day you might actually believe it.” Not sure if he believes, guess at times he does and in other moments he doesn’t.
Strong moment between Mary Margret and Regina. Nice twist, story telling wise that is. Making Mary Margret seek out Regina and ask her to be killed by her, to put an end to all this – I had hoped they would go there, but because Once is a family show wasn’t sure they would actually do it. So kudos for that. No surprise that Regina didn’t do it, realizing once more that she does want to keep Snow in misery and suffering to satisfy vengeance. That moment when Regina showed Mary Margaret the dark spot in her heart reminded me of an episode of Xena (didn’t really make all sense there either but it is a nice visual way to show that someone is losing their soul step by step and not all at once). Darkness eating into your heart, into your soul. Good visual. But more important: Great acting.
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Rant: After reading what Horowitz said on Twitter about allegations that Regina basically raped Graham, I already was somewhat taken aback of him talking it away and denying. Was ready to give the writers nevertheless benefit of doubt and wait what they will show in this episode. Now think even more that sadly they don’t get the point. Graham wasn’t acting on free will, he was under the curse. It doesn’t matter that Regina maybe didn’t use his heart to get him into her bed, it doesn’t change that Graham wasn’t acting on his own free will, he was unable to give consent – and that makes it basically rape. Just because he didn’t say loud and willingly no to her doesn’t make it a yes. He might even have enjoyed it as his cursed self, but still that doesn’t make it an act of consent. It’s like he was under constant influence of heavy drugs – and anyone saying that in this condition someone truly could give consent has a very warped kind of ethics in this matter (but knowing how many tell women not to get drunk or they shouldn’t be surprised what happens to them … sadly there might be way too many people thinking it). Guess, hope the writers would have agree with that someone under influence can’t be free to give consent, so it is sad that they don’t see the point if it comes to Regina and Graham. The problem is not, that they wrote Regina this way, doing such evil things, the problem is not to name it as what it is.
This is why, despite my love for Graham and Jamie Doran, I hope they never bring him back to SB of the past again. It fuels this war and unless the writers are going to step up and flat out say “yes” or “no” (and then show us the NO) it’s not helping their cause. I don’t want to say “sweep it under the rug” because that’s a horrible idea, but I think bringing him back again and having him have that kind of interaction with Regina is not helping them at all. I’m actually avoiding Adam’s Twitter right now because I fear the backlash of last night’s episode from several fronts, the Graham front and what the die hard EvilRegal’s are saying.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"While this episode wasn’t nearly as epic as last week’s, it still had a lot of great moments. It was a nice to have a calmer episode after the intensity of the last few. I was surprised at the “Groundhog’s Day” effect of their day to day life, but I guess that makes the most sense with the way time was frozen. So basically, things repeat with slight differences, and it’s only Regina’s actions that alter things. I wonder if she started changing things up a lot out of boredom after a while. How on earth did she stand 28 years of that? Why did she wait 18 years to adopt Henry?
It was fun to see a cursed Mr. Gold- so calm and mellow! I find it funny that some people are *still* debating as to whether he ever lost his memories- there was a whole plot point about this! If he didn’t have a cursed personality, he wouldn’t had have a problem leaving Storybrooke. (And Gold’s line about Archie’s being the next door over was great.)
We only got a little of Regina’s reactions to our world- enjoying the clothes and pancakes for the first time. Was she automatically given knowledge of our world like everyone else was or did she have to figure it out for herself? I had wanted to see more of that.
Regina’s behavior in this episode was pretty disturbing- the way she tried to force Owen and Kurt to stay, her control over Graham, her plans for Henry. I wish she would learn her lesson sometimes.
Loved seeing Mr. Gold protect Snow, although I was sad he had to be practically forced into it. It was interesting what he said to Snow about how he lives with himself.
I feel for Henry- poor kid was raised by Regina and is blood related to Rumple! His words to his family were great, mirrored the things I wanted to say to the characters myself. I completely understand his behavior- none of the adults in his life really know how to parent. He is caught in this major crossfire.
Wow- Snow is feeling suicidal! I don’t blame her- people who are that depressed as disillusioned. They often don’t think about those who would be left behind. I’ve noticed on fanboards that people often question why a character behaves this way or that and get annoyed with the writers, but everyone’s actions have made sense to me- from Regina blaming Snow White for Daniel’s death to her reverting back and joining with her mother to Snow White sinking into extreme depression. My dad is a psychiatrist. People are complicated- they don’t always think with reason. Regina has been psychologically disturbed, manipulated her whole life, first by Cora, then by Rumple.
Speaking of Rumple, I really liked how he was trying to be a voice of reason for Regina, encouraging her to give up on revenge already. I like that he was genuine in this moment, paying respects to Cora and not taking the opportunity to knock Regina down further.
The scene when Regina takes Snow’s heart was probably the biggest wow moment for me. I knew Snow was going to survive, but didn’t predict how- Regina is going to let her self destruct! I actually like this because it means that Regina will lay low and with Cora gone, the characters will finally have a chance to breath! We have barely had an episode this season in which they weren’t in a constant state of danger. I miss the lighter, slice of life moments of the first season.
I *knew* Owen was going to turn out to be Greg! I wonder why he has a different name. I also wonder how on earth he knew to call Regina about Henry and where he even got her phone number. Regina didn’t seem to even know about his presence. I also was right that Greg is a real outsider and not a book character, although he has a connection to the town so he did had a reason for being there. I’m glad we know his story now. I wonder if he will notice that no one has aged. I’m sure he remembers Regina. I wonder what happened to Kurt.
Neal and Emma were great in this episode. I loved the whole exchange about “And you fell for that?! He’s YOUR son!”
We are getting down to the last episodes of the season- can’t wait to see where they will take us next!
@AngieBelle wrote:
I feel for Henry- poor kid was raised by Regina and is blood related to Rumple! His words to his family were great, mirrored the things I wanted to say to the characters myself. I completely understand his behavior- none of the adults in his life really know how to parent.
I actually think David has been the best parent for Henry on this show. When Snow and Emma were gone he did an admirable job taking care of Henry and even teaching him a few things. Also, he actually managed to keep some level of peace with Regina. He even allowed her to spend time with Henry, making him seem smarter to me than the rest of them who keep pulling Henry away from her which only makes her more lonely, angry, and spiteful. Nobody seems to realize that being alone only brings out the worst in Regina, but I digress. As a guy myself, I think it would be cool to see an episode just with David, Bae, and Henry doing some male bonding without the ladies around. Maybe you could have Mr. Gold with them. I could see an entertaining comedy episode there with Gold playing the straight man
@AngieBelle wrote:
Speaking of Rumple, I really liked how he was trying to be a voice of reason for Regina, encouraging her to give up on revenge already. I like that he was genuine in this moment, paying respects to Cora and not taking the opportunity to knock Regina down further.
I feel like everyone is just going to talk about the scene where he protected Snow, but this was a more defining moment for him in my eyes. To see Rumple talking to her and trying to genuinely help her in a positive way is such a dramatic change for him. He wasn’t manipulating Regina. He wasn’t playing her. He wasn’t being the little devil on her shoulder encouraging her to just give in to her dark desires. I think this goes back to the core of his character, which is family. Realizing he has one now may end up being more important to his character development in the long run than his relationship with Belle was. If Belle ever does get her memory back, she may be happy to find a whole different Rumpel waiting for her. I also think that if Gold was motivated enough, he could help Regina lose that darkness of hers the way he seems to be losing his. Frankly, I think he OWES her that, since him and Cora are largely responsible for setting her on her dark path. I really wish he’d take some responsibility for some of the awful things he has done in his life, but I could say the same thing about Regina.
I’m usually on the “Henry is just a kid, he’s gonna make stupid decisions” bandwagon but I’m sorry this time it was a little too much. Most of the time the only reason people are put in perilous situations or confrontations arise is because Henry is missing and off trying to do something that’s going to blow up in everyone’s face…someone please remember to lock up the dynamite next time.
On a other note I enjoyed seeing Sheriff skinny jeans again. Not as much as I would like but hey, I’ll take it.
I also really liked the last scene between Snow and Regina. While I thought it was an awesome ending I also thought it was a little weird for Snow to go and sacrifice herself…like some on here have already said: Doesn’t she remember she has a family? A daughter she just reunited with? I hope this incident snaps Snow out of it…maybe she gets a little tough love for Emma? I would love to see that scene. Anywhooo I was reading a review online and saw this hilarious “Bummed Snow” playlist pic I thought I’d share
@AngieBelle wrote:
I *knew* Owen was going to turn out to be Greg! I wonder why he has a different name. I also wonder how on earth he knew to call Regina about Henry and where he even got her phone number
He took a picture of Henerys tag on his back pack with his phone.
I am a nerd at heart.
@chrisgirl85 wrote:
@AngieBelle wrote:
I *knew* Owen was going to turn out to be Greg! I wonder why he has a different name. I also wonder how on earth he knew to call Regina about Henry and where he even got her phone number
He took a picture of Henerys tag on his back pack with his phone.
Oh! Good catch- I must have missed that!
Sad Snow was depressed and filled with guilt, you can’t blame her for wanting to be put out of her misery.She was meant to be pure and full of goodness, and now after what she’s done,it’s really tormenting her and she just doesn’t seem to know what else to do and perhaps questioning her own identity.Her scene with Regina was so great and pulled at so many emotions, we can’t blame snow for feeling the way she is. As someone mentioned before,people are complicated and these characters are human too,they’re allowed to feel these intense and dark emotions. It’s quite harsh to judge her actions, and because not everyone knows what it’s like to be depressed, but anyone who has ever known someone,especially someone close to us who have been through this, its not easy and we cant just tell them to snap out it,because they can’t.
it’s not hard to tell how close a person is to giving up everything because they are clouded by this grief and aren’t able to think rationallyOk so the curse Regina wanted to use on Henry makes someone think they love you. Is it possible that Cora used that same curse on Regina at one point? Cause honestly even though that is her mother, after all the pain she had caused for Regina there is no way love could be there. It would explain why no matter what Cora decided, een the things Regina was completely against, she went along with it. Maybe Regina will realize that and that will help her heal and thus allow MM to heal as well.
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